What happened to Ortiz against Maidana, good or bad thing?

[AKATheMack]

People use Ortizs over abundance of balls in that fight to prove he has no heart. He learned to play to his strengths sounds good to me.

[Dynamite Kid]

coming out of that fight i think one of his main goals was to not put himself in that type of situation again.
to me its pretty obvious he's a better fighter becuz of that bout.
he doesnt have to be that blood and guts warrior to maximize his abilities.
hes already the most physically talented fighter at 140, so his natural ability just wont go away. the power will always be there, now he's more skillfully learning to utilize it.

his whole deal since the maidana fight is being a smarter fighter. i think he was a bit over the top with that during the campbell fight, but i think if he's put into a similar situation he'll try to be smarter about and box/survive his way out of trouble as opposed to gritting his teeth and trying to power his way out of it.

its like the exact opposite thing that happened to sugar shane who gravitated more towards a more brutal style, more blood and guts....and ended up abandoning his skills.

There was a short web documentary someone posted here once about Victor Ortiz that was filmed long before the Maidana fight.

It mentioned that when Ortiz was in the amateurs and lost and didn't make it to the Olympic team he wanted to quit boxing and had to be talked back into it. So the Maidana situation wasn't the first time he wanted to cut and run when things didn't go his way. It seems to be in his nature.

Well thats a positive way to use the experience, hope he carries it out, we need as many stars coming through as possible, what with the big exodus of guys like DLH, Jones, soon to be Mayweather, Pac, Mosley sooner or later.


Thats a bit concerning, that said, i think Roy Jones was pretty disillusioned with the game after losing in the olympic final, although i guess you could argue, least he made it there before stating he might walk away from it.

[pistol whip]

I think this whole he quit thing is just blown out of proportion. He got beat up and he couldn't go on. I think that means very little and is just some cliqued bullcrap that boxing fans like to use to teardown fighters. I think in the long run the maidana fight will mean little to Victor career.

[Hard Boiled]

Loosing in boxing is never a good thing, But if you can learn from it, You can come back stronger.

Also his loss to Maidana isnt his only loss, He lost before via Disqualification, So its not like Maidana is his only loss to date, He will probably go as far as Vargas career wise.

[Dynamite Kid]

I think this whole he quit thing is just blown out of proportion. He got beat up and he couldn't go on. I think that means very little and is just some cliqued bullcrap that boxing fans like to use to teardown fighters. I think in the long run the maidana fight will mean little to Victor career.

People do label fighters quitters far too easy, I mean, I dont know whether you can say Cotto quit against Margarito, that said, I dont really care to argue either way, cause anyone who saw the punishment Margarito was dishing out to that man, dont know what their talking about if they gonna call him (Cotto) a quitter, he took a knee yes, so what? that is a smart thing to do to gather your bearings when your under a barrage of punches. Miguel Cotto is a warrior, end of story, as is Eric Morales, yet he "quit", is he a quitter? of coarse not.


It makes me laugh when people say, I would never quit Lol, thats because you have never been in the ring with someone who is chipping away at your will round after round and convincing you mentally, that you cant take anymore.

[starkiller]

Bad thing, because ever since then he has been taking on old guys. Lets see him take on someone who means something at 140. I bet you he doesn't look as great as he does now when he takes on someone with a pulse.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

On the questionable chin bit you mean in that it's bad for him?? personally i think it's a good thing.. his opponents will go in and maybe head hunt a bit and not follow the gameplan 100% as they believe he is weak chinned..

Onto the original questions.. you got it nailed mainly

Quiting/The interview afterwards.. These days that **** will always be remebered and laughed about and held against him by most (not by me). It probably also wrecked any chance of a strong mexican following if that was possible at all anyway.

The good:

Might have saved him from a serious beating.. being badly KOed/beaten can ruin fighters just look at Enzo/Hatton etc..

He probably looked back on it and realised to not be so agressive/to box more.. cause if he had boxed more vs Maidana.. it's maidana who is getting koed.

[Crazylegs77]

well not that Ortiz has been in tough since that fight or anything


It was a good reality check for him.
Ortiz was probably belieiving in his own hype generated by HBO and Gloden Boy and said how could this be happening I cant be beaten. Also realized that this is what he elected to do as a living and it is a pretty good living fighting a few times a year.. Yes you can get beaten up but I think he came to his senses and realized he not only blew it by losing but in quitting.

[pistol whip]

People do label fighters quitters far too easy, I mean, I dont know whether you can say Cotto quit against Margarito, that said, I dont really care to argue either way, cause anyone who saw the punishment Margarito was dishing out to that man, dont know what their talking about if they gonna call him (Cotto) a quitter, he took a knee yes, so what? that is a smart thing to do to gather your bearings when your under a barrage of punches. Miguel Cotto is a warrior, end of story, as is Eric Morales, yet he "quit", is he a quitter? of coarse not.


It makes me laugh when people say, I would never quit Lol, thats because you have never been in the ring with someone who is chipping away at your will round after round and convincing you mentally, that you cant take anymore.

Max Kellerman called Izzy Vasquez a quitter for christ sake!!! The same Izzy Vasquez who essentially shortened his career by 10 years in the time span of four fights with Rafael Marquez. This goes to show you how even boxing experts are totally dillusional when it comes to this whole warrior concept.

[pistol whip]

Bad thing, because ever since then he has been taking on old guys. Lets see him take on someone who means something at 140. I bet you he doesn't look as great as he does now when he takes on someone with a pulse.

Out of the big 4 140 pounders he's the only one to step to Maidana and that was when maidana was still essentially a nobody. Every thing you said could essentially be said about any of the top 140 pound title contenders so...