is Pacquiao the most over rated boxer in this era?

[Kingdelboxeo]

back when Manny was going through life and death with Marquez in 08 I don't remember Manny people ranking him amongst the greats of all time and after that Post Diaz, DLH , Hatton, Cotto and Clottey he became one of the ATG's?

can you name another boxer whose stock went up that much in just over 2 years?

Umm maybe because of his resume and because he i's going for I believe his 8th division title now you tell me who else has that

[jrosales13]

back when Manny was going through life and death with Marquez in 08 I don't remember Manny people ranking him amongst the greats of all time and after that Post Diaz, DLH , Hatton, Cotto and Clottey he became one of the ATG's?

can you name another boxer whose stock went up that much in just over 2 years?

Tito Trinidad?

Hell Roy stock went up really high after Ruiz. They were putting him in the top 10 ATG after that fight.

And, no Pac is not the most overrated fighter of this era. And, going life and death wiht JMM is no shame. Is not like JMM is a bum. Hell JMM has ATG skills, maybe not the resume but the skills he is very elite. And, after the JMM he was already a top 3 greatest fighter to come out of the Philippines, and arguably clearly a top 5 greatest Asians ever without fighting Diaz, Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, and Clottey. He had already a damn good resume. And, had already "first guy ever" title. Everything in the last 2 years just added to his ATG status.

[jrosales13]

Umm maybe because of his resume and because he i's going for I believe his 8th division title now you tell me who else has that

But, that is crap. Nothing to brag about. Doesn't deserve the 8th title and should not be called champion.

[jrosales13]

people all of a sudden ranking him ahead of RJJ and making threads about him easily beating prime winky wright and Trinidad.


has something like this ever happened before?

Yes it actually has.

For example Floyd KO'ing a prime Duran in 9 rounds at 135 or beating Hearns at 147.

Ridiculous I know.

[RimmyDelicious]

back when Manny was going through life and death with Marquez in 08 I don't remember Manny people ranking him amongst the greats of all time and after that Post Diaz, DLH , Hatton, Cotto and Clottey he became one of the ATG's?

can you name another boxer whose stock went up that much in just over 2 years?

He was one of the greatest fighters of all time following prior to his move to 135. Manny won the lineal 112 pound title at 20 years old. He moved up after outgrowing the weight and won the IBF title at 122 pounds. He then goes 5-1-1 against 3 of the greatest featherweights of all time (Barrera and Morales were both on ESPN's list of the 50 greatest fighters ever, Marquez has obviously proven to be an ATG himself) and wins the lineal titles at 126 and 130 in the process.

He has since moved up to end the career of Oscar De La Hoya, to win the lineal title at 140 pounds against Ricky Hatton, to win a welterweight title over 3 division titlist and current junior middleweight titlist Miguel Cotto, defeated a top 5 contender and former welterweight titlist Josh Clottey, and he has won 3 of those four by knockout and all those fights by utter domination. Both Hatton and Cotto were top 10 pound for fighters on the Ring Magazine's lists at the time Manny KO'd them. He is now fighting the top welterweight of the previous decade at 150 lbs.

Please explain to me how those accomplishments are 'overrated'.

[IMDAZED]

Pacquiao is an ATG, get over it. That said, **** an 8th title, I'm still waiting for him to win his fifth.

[The Big Dunn]

He was one of the greatest fighters of all time following prior to his move to 135. Manny won the lineal 112 pound title at 20 years old. He moved up after outgrowing the weight and won the IBF title at 122 pounds. He then goes 5-1-1 against 3 of the greatest featherweights of all time (Barrera and Morales were both on ESPN's list of the 50 greatest fighters ever, Marquez has obviously proven to be an ATG himself) and wins the lineal titles at 126 and 130 in the process.

He has since moved up to end the career of Oscar De La Hoya, to win the lineal title at 140 pounds against Ricky Hatton, to win a welterweight title over 3 division titlist and current junior middleweight titlist Miguel Cotto, defeated a top 5 contender and former welterweight titlist Josh Clottey, and he has won 3 of those four by knockout and all those fights by utter domination. Both Hatton and Cotto were top 10 pound for fighters on the Ring Magazine's lists at the time Manny KO'd them. He is now fighting the top welterweight of the previous decade at 150 lbs.

Please explain to me how those accomplishments are 'overrated'.

I wouldn't say overarted but can we have full disclosure. Clottey was not a top 5 ww. Cotto fought at 145 (if its no big deal then fight at 147). He beat Hatton after he was KO'd and beaten badly by floyd. ODH came down to 147 from 154 for a payday. He was not the ODH that floyd beat. Also he has only defended any title above 126 1 time, against clottey.

I guess its all how you judge the details.

[RimmyDelicious]

Pacquiao is an ATG, get over it. That said, **** an 8th title, I'm still waiting for him to win his fifth.

That's fair, as it stands now he still has one more lineal title than Mayweather though. 4 for Manny, 3 for Floyd. He also has those titles over a far greater range of weights.

[IMDAZED]

That's fair, as it stands now he still has one more lineal title than Mayweather though. 4 for Manny, 3 for Floyd.

Riight. Anyway, back to Manny

[RimmyDelicious]

Riight. Anyway, back to Manny

Yes, Manny has won more lineal titles in seperate weight classes than any fighter in history.