Floyd shows the reason why he isn't a cross over star.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

Paul Williams barely gets around 200 people to a fight even though he has an action packed style, he seems like a nice guy doesn't talk trash etc..

TS can you tell me if Mayweather didn't talk **** he would be anywhere near as popular especially when you consider his style is not as casual pleasing as say pac or Williams?

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

lol............


now floyd fans think being on dancing with the stars makes you a A list celebrity.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

The problem with Floyd is that he wants it both ways.

Look at how he acted when he was younger ; he was humble, camera-friendly, and an all around class act. He wanted to be Oscar De La Hoya - maybe not in terms of boxing, but in terms of success. That's what he wanted.

I don't expect you to understand that because you just joined this site last year, and you've probably only been following boxing for a couple of years, at best. But back in the day, Oscar was it.

That's what Floyd wanted.

And he still makes attempts to be that, if you pay close attention to his actions.

Things like "Dancing with the Stars", giving money to charity, working with underprivledged children, etc...

All those things are very respectable, and admirable.

But for every one of those things he does, he turns around and does something like this racist Ustream rant.

One step forward, two steps back.

The fact that you're even defending a bonafide racist is staggering enough, and yet you have the brass balls to call me a **** sucker?

Open mouth, insert foot.

Exactly, it's amazing how people cannot see this. Their logic is how much money Mayweather has made and not looking at the success he COULD have made.

There's a difference between playing the "Bad guy" to get attention but Mayweather never needed to be the bad guy because he's been pound4pound one of the best fighters in the sport for a decade.

His appeal is his boxing skill but he could have been even bigger outside the ring if he would have shown some class.

[ßringer]

Mayweather Crossed Over during the fight against Oscar

he is just not a LIKABLE Cross Over Star, but to say he is not a Cross Over Star when he draws like he draws when it comes to PPV Buys and money at the gates is just FOOLISH

a lot of people love the Bad Guy they love to root for the Bad Guy or they love to HATE the Bad Guy, turning into Money Mayweather during the Oscar fight made him into a Superstar, to make the amount of Money he has made and to do it without being liked and with a lot of Major Endorsements the man pulled off what most people would have thought would have been the "Impossible"

he learned that it is easier to get people to HATE you then it is to get people to like you so he used that to the fullest and it has worked FOR HIM, I don't think he can work for anyone else but him though

Some very valid points in this post.

The only thing I disagree with is the love/hate thing.

I think it's much harder to get someone to hate you than it is to get someone to like you.

Human beings in general (and especially sports fans) are always looking for that next person that'll spark their intrest - more so in the sports world.

Why do you think a guy like Tim Tebow is so beloved by the sports media?

You think he'd be half as popular as he is if he were trash talking every team he played, throwing money in people's faces, and going on racist rants on the internet?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Thats what playing the bad guy role gets you. He wants people to hate him. He wants to people to like him. Hes ****ed in the head and a multi millionaire.

Whatever hes doing is working.

Overtime.

The biggest myth around is that EVERYONE hates Floyd. Far from true this dudes fanbase is insane.

[The Gambler1981]

The problem with Floyd is that he wants it both ways.

Look at how he acted when he was younger ; he was humble, camera-friendly, and an all around class act. He wanted to be Oscar De La Hoya - maybe not in terms of boxing, but in terms of success. That's what he wanted.

I don't expect you to understand that because you just joined this site last year, and you've probably only been following boxing for a couple of years, at best. But back in the day, Oscar was it.

That's what Floyd wanted.

And he still makes attempts to be that, if you pay close attention to his actions.

Things like "Dancing with the Stars", giving money to charity, working with underprivledged children, etc...

All those things are very respectable, and admirable.

But for every one of those things he does, he turns around and does something like this racist Ustream rant.

One step forward, two steps back.

The fact that you're even defending a bonafide racist is staggering enough, and yet you have the brass balls to call me a **** sucker?

Open mouth, insert foot.

I don't think he tries to be the good guy in terms of his boxing career, but in terms of how he acts he certainly is no true villian and that is not the route he wanted to take.

I think he has found his professional formula though, I think he doesn't like that fact that his detractors outnumber his supporter by a wide margin but I think he likes all that cash that his whole persona brings.

I don't even think he is that big of a racist atleast when you are comparing what fighters say all the time, also how is thinking Floyd crossed over defending him? He is certainly full of **** and lacks the ability to talk without angering a large ammount of people but that doesn't really make him an overly bad guy although it certianly makes him appear in a bad light.

I think Floyd crossed over because he stirs strong emotions, no fighter today can get people yapping like Floyd does, to me that is crossing over doesn't matter why it happeaned.

[cnote111]

Paul Williams barely gets around 200 people to a fight even though he has an action packed style, he seems like a nice guy doesn't talk trash etc..

TS can you tell me if Mayweather didn't talk **** he would be anywhere near as popular especially when you consider his style is not as casual pleasing as say pac or Williams?

Actually i think he would be bigger, if consistently cared about the community, helped out the less fortunate, stayed more humble, and most of all fought the best out there.. He would've been bigger than DLH easy!!

Now he is forever branded as a degenerate wannabe thug with zero common sense and absolutely no integrity.

[Mushashi]

He's perfected the loathsome, pantomime bad guy act down to a tee, he's the sport's biggest star post-DLH thanks to his ******ed antics.

But I get what the TS is getting at, Floyd could be an even bigger star and more revered for his God given talent than his mouth, with more lucrative sponsorship deals to go with his career earnings, if he wasn't such an a$$hole whenever the media spotlight is on him.

[ßringer]

Paul Williams barely gets around 200 people to a fight even though he has an action packed style, he seems like a nice guy doesn't talk trash etc..

TS can you tell me if Mayweather didn't talk **** he would be anywhere near as popular especially when you consider his style is not as casual pleasing as say pac or Williams?

Paul Williams also doesn't have the luxury of shows like 24/7 to help him build a larger fanbase.

You think Floyd would be half as famous as he is were it not for 24/7?

I doubt it. The Oscar fight made him. Period.

And it could do the same with many other boxers but HBO only uses it for guys like Oscar, Floyd, and Manny.

[The Gambler1981]

Exactly, it's amazing how people cannot see this. Their logic is how much money Mayweather has made and not looking at the success he COULD have made.

There's a difference between playing the "Bad guy" to get attention but Mayweather never needed to be the bad guy because he's been pound4pound one of the best fighters in the sport for a decade.

His appeal is his boxing skill but he could have been even bigger outside the ring if he would have shown some class.

It has a little to do with money but that ability to sell is how one really measures stardom.


I disagree though I don't think Floyd was capable of doing better this is the best he could do with what he was given at crossing over. He got pretty far, way farther than he was every going to get with his nice guy act.

If Floyd was a different guy yea he might have been able to do better but then we aren't talking abotu Floyd anymore~

To me it has to do with how strongly he gets people to feel about him and how everyone has an opinion on him.