Floyd shows the reason why he isn't a cross over star.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

The problem with Floyd is that he wants it both ways.

Look at how he acted when he was younger ; he was humble, camera-friendly, and an all around class act. He wanted to be Oscar De La Hoya - maybe not in terms of boxing, but in terms of success. That's what he wanted.

I don't expect you to understand that because you just joined this site last year, and you've probably only been following boxing for a couple of years, at best. But back in the day, Oscar was it.

That's what Floyd wanted.

And he still makes attempts to be that, if you pay close attention to his actions.

Things like "Dancing with the Stars", giving money to charity, working with underprivledged children, etc...

All those things are very respectable, and admirable.

But for every one of those things he does, he turns around and does something like this racist Ustream rant.

One step forward, two steps back.

The fact that you're even defending a bonafide racist is staggering enough, and yet you have the brass balls to call me a **** sucker?

Open mouth, insert foot.

Your first post was pretty **** tbh.. why did you not respond to anything i posted? he is a cross over star on the level or very close to Oscar, given the state of boxing these days that is very good.

Could he have made it to the ppv views/sponsorship stuff he has now with his boxing style acting all nice?

You missed the point and it's not a diss on Mayweather at all, it's really a slight on his personality and how he could be making even more money than he already is.

There's no doubt he is a millionaire, that he is popular but that could be increased by 10 if he was more intelligent. If he was more liked.

People think that it's an act the way he is but I'm not so sure because this rant on Ustream, while it will help the sale of the Pacquaio fight, doesn't do anything for him outside the ring.

Remember, DLH has made more money outside the ring because he is smart and the way he markets himself. Mayweather could be on the same level and it's not even close.

Floyd needs to act like a prick.. like i said in my last post he would be just like Williams, Dawson etc if he didn't. He doesn't have the style of Pac which casual fans love. Maybe now he has cemented himself he could act better, i don't know but he needed to act like a thug to get him were he is imo

[The Gambler1981]

Floyd certainly didn't start off with the goal of getting people to hate him. He fell into that role and he made it fit like a glove.

**** has worked out for him though.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

Paul Williams also doesn't have the luxury of shows like 24/7 to help him build a larger fanbase.

You think Floyd would be half as famous as he is were it not for 24/7?

I doubt it. The Oscar fight made him. Period.

And it could do the same with many other boxers but HBO only uses it for guys like Oscar, Floyd, and Manny.

No ****?? and what made him? Being in the public eye alot more and playing the bad guy role. It clearly worked perfect as it recorded not only Floyds biggest ppv but Oscars too.

If people telling me if Floyd acted all nice and intelligent vs Oscar it would have made more they are plain crazy period

[ßringer]

No ****?? and what made him? Being in the public eye more and playing the ******* role.

You're all over the place, son. Pick a topic and stick with it.

24/7 made him. He didn't have to play the role he played on there. He did that of his own volition. He still would've come out a star just for having been on that show, and winning that fight.

What you're trying to do is sit there and say "he wouldn't have been as big a star if he hadn't played the bad guy role", and you can't say that.

You can't.

Because you don't know that. Neither do I.

So unless you want to go get Doc Brown, get in the DeLorean, and go back in time ; your argument is a strawman.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Floyd is boxings biggest star.

Hes also boxings richest active fighter.


His methods have worked no?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Floyd needs to act like a prick.. like i said in my last post he would be just like Williams, Dawson etc if he didn't. He doesn't have the style of Pac which casual fans love. Maybe now he has cemented himself he could act better, i don't know but he needed to act like a thug to get him were he is imo

I think your comparison of Floyd and Williams and Dawson is way off. Floyd has been the best pound 4 pound fighter in the last 10 years.......EASY.

He doesn't need to act a certain way or play some role to be recognized, he is recognized because of his amazing skill which I don't for one second doubt.

I have gone on record to say that I think Mayweather beats Pacquaio but that's not what this is about. It's about what Mayweather's potential is, it's not about how much money he has made but how much he COULD have made.

Mayweather could be the next SRL but he will never be because of his actions and that's the point, something you guys are missing.

I understand you guys are fans of Mayweather, I get you guys are unable to differentiate between your personal feelings and an unbiased opinion.....I get that.

That's one of the reasons NSB has gone to s.hit because it's 10,000 threads about how Pac is a steroid user and how Floyd is a coward.

All I'm saying is a rant like this is not good for Floyd, it's just not. This won't help him sell the Pac fight more than it will already sell. Pac and Floyd are the two biggest names in the sport and there could be not one more commercial or radio broadcast to promote the fight and it will be the highest selling fight ever because the WORLD wants to see it.

[ßringer]

Floyd is boxings biggest star.

Hes also boxings richest active fighter.


His methods have worked no?

Absolutely. And there is clearly a method to his madness.

I don't think anybody in this thread is trying to argue otherwise. We're just debating the merits of the path he's taken since his star began to burn.

[jai mari078]

Why did he get paid 10m for going to wwe then?

The WWE is a circus they will take anyone.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

You're all over the place, son. Pick a topic and stick with it.

24/7 made him. He didn't have to play the role he played on there. He did that of his own volition. He still would've come out a star just for having been on that show, and winning that fight.

What you're trying to do is sit there and say "he wouldn't have been as big a star if he hadn't played the bad guy role", and you can't say that.

You can't.

Because you don't know that. Neither do I.

So unless you want to go get Doc Brown, get in the DeLorean, and go back in time ; your argument is a strawman.

He wouldn't have been anywhere near as popular playing a nice guy with his unattractive style (to the casual audience) give me whatever **** your on if you think otherwise.

[Jim Tom]

Once upon a time Floyd said that the reason he wasn't as popular as DLH was because he was black. He also gave that same reason of why he isn't the most popular sports star in America. Which is kind of idiotic when you think about it because the biggest sports star in America every single year Are black....

Floyd is a product of his upbringing, imagine being raised by Floyd Sr. and his uncle Roger? I mean there's a reason this dude is so mentally ***ed up and is so emotionally unstable.

When I watched the 24/7 between him and DLH, I noticed something that very few probably noticed. While Mayweather was walking around with 50K in cash in his pocket and a watch and chain that were worth 1 million dollars, DLH was walking around in jeans and a polo shirt with a leather wrist band watch.

It was amazing to me how the kid from the REAL hood (DLH) was walking around more humble than the supposedly hood kid in Mayweather who in reality was raised most of his life in Michigan suburbs....

This latest rant about Pacquaio is the classic example of why America has never embraced him and why he's not a cross over success like DLH, Tiger Woods, Shaq etc. He shows no class and no respect towards others while simultaneously screaming about how nobody respects him.

To those of you that say he's "Keeping it real" all you are doing is perpetuating the ignorant stereotype that young black kids like Mayweather give off to the rest of the world and then wonder why nobody takes them seriously. The sad thing is, millions of young kids see this and emulate it and think that's being "real" or what a real tough guy should act like. When in actuality it takes more of a man to come from where Pacquaio comes from, smile all the time and take care of his own people and the people around him the way he does.

Like I have said before, Floyd is an amazing fighter, his skills and work ethic cannot be denied but him as a person leaves a lot to be desired. He's classless like his father and uncle before him. It was JCC who shut his uncles mouth and hopefully Pac can shut the huge mouth of Mayweather.

I dont know what you mean by cross over
Floyd has the record number of ppvs,I'm not sure that would be possible if he wasnt the cross over star.When an ordinary boxer fights,he makes about 400k ppvs,it takes someone better to do 2million.
Floyd was on dancing with the stars,he is so recognisable he goes to the WWE,he has endorsements so what do you mean he's not crossover?WHo is the most searched boxer or the most mentioned on the internet?
Which boxer makes the most money in boxing today?
So what do you mean by he's not a crossover star when he's the face of boxing?