Floyd is the most skilled fighter of all time.

[Tamis!]

I didnt use the term no skill, if youre a professional you should have some skill of some sort. So youre saying if a fighter attained 2 titles in his career, he is more skilled than every fighter who didnt attain at least 2 titles? How is that any type of measure of skill level, it isnt. This whole thread has just been another way to limit credit given to Floyd.

See now you imply the INTANGIBLES which separates all those 2 title holders apart from themselves as to who's better. And that's a totally different topic now.

Never did I limit credit to Floyd when it comes to his skill, I've always been a fan of his skill (with or without the intangibles defense, ring generalship, etc). So don't include me on those type of trolls.

We talk skill based by skill alone, hurling in the intangibles will make the whole thing subjective already.

To be fair, just tackled this one coz Morales had things all screwed up, as to who's ATG blah blah but without the proper measuring tools for his ATG logic, but that's him so what can we do lol.

[Bhopreign]

[B]IMO a boxer's skill level is measured by the level of achievements a boxer obtained throughout his career, where his skill took him, and all the accolades, titles, etc. the boxer received by showcasing his talent and SKILL.
B]

Well......

[Tyson.]

LOL!

That's where you lick Floyd's balls you see. Coz if that's ur logic, where is Marciano, Calzaghe, Ottke in your little list?

Think again mate!

Ottke and Calzaghe lost a few of their fights and fought alot of bums.

Marciano retired too early to be rated that highly.

[Tamis!]

Well......

Like I said, Tamis is open for criticism...

[Tamis!]

Ottke and Calzaghe lost a few of their fights and fought alot of bums.

Marciano retired too early to be rated that highly.

Now ain't this a perfect example of subjectivity LOL!

I got nothing more with you man!

Stick to your ATG standards if that's what'll keep you asleep at night.

LOL!

[istmeno]

That description of skill is even more abstract than saying skill is counterpunching ability, timing and footwork. Many fighters achieved more than one title who arnt as skilled as fighters who achieved no titles.

counter punching, footwork, cutting the ring rolling with punches, defense are all things that can be taught. i.e skills. speed, reflexes, power are things you are born with, and cannot be taught.

[victorythagr8]

Ottke and Calzaghe lost a few of their fights and fought alot of bums.

Marciano retired too early to be rated that highly.

lmao at saying calzaghe fought alot of bums then turn around and prop floyd. Both calzaghe and floyd fought alot of bums. Both are known duckers and fight fighters when they are old as hell.

[istmeno]

IMO a boxer's skill level is measured by the level of achievements a boxer obtained throughout his career, where his skill took him, and all the accolades, titles, etc. the boxer received by showcasing his talent and SKILL.

Just my opinion and I'm open for corrections. To each his own, but that to me is how it is measured you see...

achievements are not a measure of skill. if that were the case, howard davis jr. would be an atg. the intangibles are what takes fighters to the next level. great skill and talent are not enough. the mental make up of a fighter is what separates fighters.

[BirdSong]

Hes damn skillful alrite i dont think anyone can deny that, its just his obsession with fingering his money that annoys a lot of people plus this vacation hes on now is very hard to understand really, why not make a super mega fight, eh im on holiday now, eh ok then but your just back from one!! LOL

[JayDee2700]

I have to disagree. Roy Jones is one of the most naturally gifted boxers in history, but He didn't bank on skills to do his job.
He banked on speed and reflexes and beat everybody while He had those tools.
He should of listen to his Dad, but He did it His way.

Ali banked on his speed and the ropes, Ali took alot more punishment then Roy has, tho Roy an Ali pretty much did bank on the same things.