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  • SCtrojansbaby
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    #21
    I hate when people rank guys that retired before they were alive. Its like the idiots guy that talks about Willie Mays when his dad didn't even hit puberty when Willie Mays was in his prime.

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    • AKATheMack
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      #22
      Originally posted by jrosales13
      HIm keeping his 0 to MW means nothing about WW rankings. You don't judge what other guys did in other divisons when judging one divisional rankings.

      The WW division has a rich division. Tito not even close to being top 5. And, he is my favorite of all time. But, the WW diviosn has had too many great boxers who have a better resume than Tito at WW. Tito is not even top 10 WW TBH. He is clearly top 25 and arguably top 15. I have him somewhere in the top 15 just outside the top 10. And, I have him ahead of a lot of greats. It maybe my bias towards. But, truth he is no where near the top 5. Think about it is he even ahead of Hearns? And, would you consider Hearns top 5? Because, I wouldn't. I think you can even make some kind of a case for Hearns not to be in the top 10. That is how deep the history of the WW division is.
      It depends on your interpretation of the question. Most accomplished fighters at the weight? or toughest fighters in a head to head competition. While 10 fighters can be ranked ahead of Tommy based on resume I dont see more than a couple WWs in history beating a prime Tommy.

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      • B.U.R.N.E.R
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        #23
        Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby
        I hate when people rank guys that retired before they were alive. Its like the idiots guy that talks about Willie Mays when his dad didn't even hit puberty when Willie Mays was in his prime.
        I hate the idiot guys who shyt on older greats because they retired before they were born, without doing the archival research to get a good assessment of their respective careers.

        The TS asked who the Top 5 GREATEST WW's were. When 147 is arguably boxing's best division historically. Ranking Tito as Number 1 is a joke and shows a real ignorance to the history of the sport.

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          #24
          Originally posted by AKATheMack
          It depends on your interpretation of the question. Most accomplished fighters at the weight? or toughest fighters in a head to head competition. While 10 fighters can be ranked ahead of Tommy based on resume I dont see more than a couple WWs in history beating a prime Tommy.
          I dont see more than a few WW's throughout history being able to beat Floyd Mayweather but I know he doesnt make the list. Regardless of head to head. Its not about what a fighter "would" do its about what they "did" do.

          If everything was head to head a Prime Roy Jones would be the GOAT of all the sport.

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            #25
            Originally posted by No Ceilings
            I dont see more than a few WW's throughout history being able to beat Floyd Mayweather but I know he doesnt make the list. Regardless of head to head. Its not about what a fighter "would" do its about what they "did" do.

            If everything was head to head a Prime Roy Jones would be the GOAT.
            Excellent point.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Dambala
              Excellent point.
              Thanks, I like this topic.

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              • NChristo
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                #27
                Originally posted by No Ceilings
                I dont see more than a few WW's throughout history being able to beat Floyd Mayweather but I know he doesnt make the list. Regardless of head to head. Its not about what a fighter "would" do its about what they "did" do.

                If everything was head to head a Prime Roy Jones would be the GOAT of all the sport.
                Really ?, remember this isn't Floyds best weight, I don't see many people beating him at say Super Feather but Welter is a different story.
                Last edited by NChristo; 08-30-2010, 10:06 AM.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by No Ceilings
                  I hate the idiot guys who shyt on older greats because they retired before they were born, without doing the archival research to get a good assessment of their respective careers.

                  The TS asked who the Top 5 GREATEST WW's were. When 147 is arguably boxing's best division historically. Ranking Tito as Number 1 is a joke and shows a real ignorance to the history of the sport.

                  Ok that is nice but how many times have you seen Sugar Ray Robinson fight(all 4 of the fights that are on youtube?).

                  Don't rank people that you never saw... if you are 80 then so be it rank Sugar Ray Robinson if not then shut up and stop ranking people based on highlights, fight night and what some guy at your barber shop told you 20 years ago.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by NChristo
                    Really ?, remember this isn't Floyds best weight, I don't see many people beating him at Super Feather but Welter is a different story.
                    Yeah I knew someone would pick up on that..lol. My thing is this as hes gotten older hes gotten smarter IMO.

                    For example: P4P wise 130(skills) Floyd gets UD'd by the 147 ( skills) Floyd. If that makes sense.

                    The WW's are bigger like Hearns, Gavilan, Leonard etc but Floyd is still a pretty skilled and ultra smart fighter at WW. I also think his power is underrated. I lost count of how many times I can tell Shane felt the sting of those accurate punches.

                    I think Floyd would be the toughest fight for a lot of ATG's at WW. Hes not an easy fighter to deal with.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby
                      Ok that is nice but how many times have you seen Sugar Ray Robinson fight(all 4 of the fights that are on youtube?).

                      Don't rank people that you never saw... if you are 80 then so be it rank Sugar Ray Robinson if not then shut up and stop ranking people based on highlights, fight night and what some guy at your barber shop told you 20 years ago.
                      Go to Amazon.com buy some books. Read them get caught up on the history of the sport.

                      Go on some ******* sites or better yet ask Mr. Copeland for the ******* sight and you can see just about any fight that was televised and recorded.

                      Get caught up on the history and you'll quickly find out that its trollish and fan boy esque to rank Tito as the greatest ww ever.

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