Comments Thread For: Mosley Breaks Down Why Mayweather-Pacquiao Fell Apart

[MrRolltide91]

Mosley is exactlty right and I don't blame Manny for not being completely controlled by Floyd. It's the smart thing to do on Manny's part by not giving Floyd any advantage going into the fight. Either they need to meet in the middle and both make compromises, which Floyd will never do therefore there will be no fight. Manny should stand his ground and not give Floyd complete control and if Floyd really wants this fight they will meet in the middle. These two are both to big of names for one to try and **** the other in negotiations. They need to both make compromises and make this fight happen, but once again Floyd will never agree unless he completely dictates everything so this fight will never happen because manny won't let that happen and he's smart for it. It may not be what some people wanna hear but it's smart on his part.

didn't manny make most of the demands during the first negotiations?

when did floyd have complete control?

[GRUSTLER]

this was all predetermined!!!

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Originally Posted by cortdawg25
Did Top rank make a serious offer to Team Mayweather? Afterall, Arum hadn't even talked to a single member of Team Mayweather! Allegedly, he went through Ross greenburg for negotiations when greenburg is not a promotor nor an adviser for Mayweather. Nor is he looking out for Floyd's best interest so how is he be consulted with in regards to negotiations. It is hard to believe that the contract or contract negotiaiton is real, but simply a fairy tale....a fallacy construed by Top rank to sway the public and media into their favor. Top rank wants us to believe that Floyd is the hold up, that he is depriving the fans the fight of century! But hey, that is all just speculation and opinion. But these are the facts that led me to this specualtion and form these opinions.

Clottey fight in Dallas

Top rank making the clottey fight in dallas was the 1st move to side step a potential Floyd fight this year. 1st off, Arum knows that Floyd isn't fighting anywhere else but Vegas. So he develops a relationship with Jerry jones to land multiple fights at Dallas stadium. the 1st fight was with Clottey and the 2nd fight will be with Margarito who will most likely get his license renewed in Texas before any other commission. This way Arum can take advantage of the geography being close to Mexico and keeping all the $$$ in-house

there was an article on this very site where margarito stated Arum promised him pacquiao! now they may be scheduled for a fight for a vacant title at 154 which would be pacquaio's so-called 8th title in 8 different weight classes

Top Rank then got Cotto into position to become champ at 154 just after his loss to Pacquiao. How does Cotto get a title shot after taking a 1-sided loss...I'll tell you why , so that pacquiao can have shot at a so-called 8th title

Top rank was also pushing cotto and margarito has opponents for Pacquiao ever since the Mosley win. Arum even went so far to say that mosley would be floyd's toughest challenge because of his size and speed before floyd had agreed to fight Mosley

Top rank then states that their is gag order on the negotiations but continued to violate the so-called gag order every day for the last month. who states that their is a gag-order and then proceed to break the gag-order within the same statement

Then Arum states that the contract was agreed upon by all parties confirmed by golden Boy and it is awaiting Floyd's signature and then turns around last week and says that he talked to Ross Greenburg exclusively

next, he allegedly sends a contract to Team Mayweather with previous agreements that are no longer acceptable and have been publicly stated by mayweather that those agreements were null and void. And on top of that, he assessed a deadline to the best fighter of the world who genrates the most money, makes the most PPV sales, and generates the larger gate revenue in his fights in comparison to pacquiao. And nevermind in 41 fights Floyd has never lost or come close to losing, has been the best or 1 of the best since 99, and been the youngest fighters to achieve championships in multiple division while remaining undefeated and arum feels it is OK to place a pacquiao deadline on him. Top Rank does not call the shots, pacquiao does not call the shots, how dare they try and impose a deadline on this eras best fighter!

finally, once the pacquiao deadline has been given...Bob has continously pushed and rushed a decision from Team mayweather depsite the fight date being nov 13, 4 months away!!!!! And who decide nov 13, maybe Nov 13 is the only weekend that dallas is available during this NFL season. why all the urgency when the clottey fight was made in 2 mos? why nov 13th when you know floyd isn't fighting in dallas? This some BS by Arum!

ARUM WAS NEVER TRYING TO REALLY MAKE THIS FIGHT HAPPEN!!!

I will have to agree on this. All of it sounds and looks like it was
staged. Believe it or not but Floyd has a very good chance to
beat Pac and in a one sided fashion and the last thing Bob Arum
wants is Floyd to do that BUT I don't think it is only about Floyd.
I think Arum doesn't want any of his fighters going up against
other fighters from different companies because he doesn't want
to break bread with no other promotional company.

The Mosley fight should have been made after Margarito lost
to him BUT instead Pac fought Cotto.... Arum wins. It goes
the same for Clottey and now Margarito.... Arum wins and eats
all the food off the table. Arum is very good at painting certain
pictures using smoke and mirrors. I don't like the fact that Arum
is playing everyone. Floyd is no angel either BUT when the fight
was first being negotiated for MaRCH between him and Pac, Manny
had all the pro's and all Floyd wanted was 1 thing, that to me was
NO big deal at all but it became one and the fight never happened.

The only thing that makes me mad at Floyd is that he should
have came out personally and exposed Arum on the supposed
deadline Top Rank put on Floyd. Arum knew from jump street
that Floyd Mayweather Jr, the most arrogant fighter on the planet
would not let himself getting manipulated and bullied by a deadline.
I know that and don't even know Floyd, Arum does. Boxing nowadays
is becoming a duck and doDge fest and fighters want to be greedy
divas more than making their bones by fighting the best (Berto/Kahn
comes to mind). Hopefully Boxing comes back to what it was in
these days and times.

[MrRolltide91]

i will have to agree on this. All of it sounds and looks like it was
staged. Believe it or not but floyd has a very good chance to
beat pac and in a one sided fashion and the last thing bob arum
wants is floyd to do that but i don't think it is only about floyd.
I think arum doesn't want any of his fighters going up against
other fighters from different companies because he doesn't want
to break bread with no other promotional company.

The mosley fight should have been made after margarito lost
to him but instead pac fought cotto.... Arum wins. It goes
the same for clottey and now margarito.... Arum wins and eats
all the food off the table. Arum is very good at painting certain
pictures using smoke and mirrors. I don't like the fact that arum
is playing everyone. Floyd is no angel either but when the fight
was first being negotiated for march between him and pac, manny
had all the pro's and all floyd wanted was 1 thing, that to me was
no big deal at all but it became one and the fight never happened.

The only thing that makes me mad at floyd is that he should
have came out personally and exposed arum on the supposed
deadline top rank put on floyd. Arum knew from jump street
that floyd mayweather jr, the most arrogant fighter on the planet
would not let himself getting manipulated and bullied by a deadline.
I know that and don't even know floyd, arum does. Boxing nowadays
is becoming a duck and dodge fest and fighters want to be greedy
divas more than making their bones by fighting the best (berto/kahn
comes to mind). Hopefully boxing comes back to what it was in
these days and times.

co-sign....

[The Big Dunn]

I will have to agree on this. All of it sounds and looks like it was
staged. Believe it or not but Floyd has a very good chance to
beat Pac and in a one sided fashion and the last thing Bob Arum
wants is Floyd to do that BUT I don't think it is only about Floyd.
I think Arum doesn't want any of his fighters going up against
other fighters from different companies because he doesn't want
to break bread with no other promotional company.

The Mosley fight should have been made after Margarito lost
to him BUT instead Pac fought Cotto.... Arum wins. It goes
the same for Clottey and now Margarito.... Arum wins and eats
all the food off the table. Arum is very good at painting certain
pictures using smoke and mirrors. I don't like the fact that Arum
is playing everyone. Floyd is no angel either BUT when the fight
was first being negotiated for MaRCH between him and Pac, Manny
had all the pro's and all Floyd wanted was 1 thing, that to me was
NO big deal at all but it became one and the fight never happened.

The only thing that makes me mad at Floyd is that he should
have came out personally and exposed Arum on the supposed
deadline Top Rank put on Floyd. Arum knew from jump street
that Floyd Mayweather Jr, the most arrogant fighter on the planet
would not let himself getting manipulated and bullied by a deadline.
I know that and don't even know Floyd, Arum does. Boxing nowadays
is becoming a duck and doDge fest and fighters want to be greedy
divas more than making their bones by fighting the best (Berto/Kahn
comes to mind). Hopefully Boxing comes back to what it was in
these days and times.

Gruster why should floyd allow ARum to use him to market top rank fights? Bob did that **** the 1st time. By keeping quiet and going on vacation the only thing the media can do is talk about the fighters involved. I think floyd is playing this one exactly right.

[sapaw]

true floyd agreed to pacs weight penalty request ,the midget should agree to floyds request.It's a fact that floyd sells more when it comes to ppv too.

you making yourself ******! lol! that weight penalty (10M/lb or 25% of the boxers guaranteed purse per lb) demand is STANDARD on NSAC rule book! its all over the boxing scene.. too bad, Golden boy sold JMM for only 600K! and too bad, you make yourself *****! lol

[letsgobrady]

floyd is the man and believes he's the man and feels like he should be treated like the man this is not anything new the only thing thats new in this situation is that manny also believes he is the man where as most of the time floyds opponents know that they are gettin in the ring with the best fighter in the world but in this situation manny doesn't seem to see or understand that.
as stuborn as floyd is he did seem to compromise to make the fight with manny,i always believed that the fight would never happen because of money,i never thought that floyd would agree to a 50/50 split but he did and he also compromised the drug testin for manny yet manny still refused

[The Big Dunn]

you making yourself ******! lol! that weight penalty (10M/lb or 25% of the boxers guaranteed purse per lb) demand is STANDARD on NSAC rule book! its all over the boxing scene.. too bad, Golden boy sold JMM for only 600K! and too bad, you make yourself *****! lol

The 25% is standard, 10 mil per lb is not.

GBP didn't sell JMM out. When the scale hit 146 they wrote up a new contract giving JMM 300k per lb over the 144 limit. JMM took it because if there was no fight he wouldn't get paid. JMM took the floyd fight ONLY for the payday, so it wouldn't make sense for him to not fight because of 2 lbs.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

add mosley to the list of mentally sane intelligent & rational people.

everybody knows except for delusional floyd fan boy fluffers that it was floyd to blame for the fight falling apart.


the fight was ready to be made until floyd requested a test never done before in the history of professional prize fighting.

[twosweethooks]

there was no second time,once paccy said no to the test floyd turned his back on him.

that's when pac started throwing jabs again and saying he would agree to the two week gap AFTER floyd said No.He had his chance.

And he wants the dates of the tests.

He has to man up like shane and take the tests without the gap and without the dates.

You need a good dose of Black Draught !! Might clear up yer mind , haha

[jrosales13]

add mosley to the list of mentally sane intelligent & rational people.

everybody knows except for delusional floyd fan boy fluffers that it was floyd to blame for the fight falling apart.


the fight was ready to be made until floyd requested a test never done before in the history of professional prize fighting.

The test had been done before.

But, I find it kind of odd that a lot of inside people, people who were part of the negotiation team. Are giving the blame slightly to Floyd. Yet his fans and people who were not involved at all still refuses to believe it. Why, I have no idea. In the first negotiations the blame was slightly towards to Pac by people who were involved, now is on Floyd by people who were involved.

Fact is this are the two biggest divas in the sport. It is going to be very hard for this fight to get made. Because, neither would bend on their demands. And, if they do they will create a new demand to try and one up the other. They're not the first divas in boxing and won't be the last.

I am getting tired of both, I blame both. And, I really am wanting for both to kinda retire soon.