I Love How People Are Downplaying Pac-Man Going For His Record 8th Division Title

[DondiNeverLeft]

WOW...just wow!

We are witnessing history in the making and all most can do is complain about it! If you would've told me 10 years ago,Manny Pacquiao would be going a title in an 8th division I wouldnt have believed you. Nobody, I repeat nobody has done it, not Ali,not SRR ,SRL,The Hitman(the real one lol)Duran or RJJ. De La Hoya is the closest with 6(ten titles tho!).
I dont really care for his opponent,Margarito but that has no bearing on Pac-Man putting himself in position to seize this illustrious opportunity. The naysayers say what has he done @ 154 to fight for a title? He can fight anyone else, why Margarito? I say all thats up for debate but whats not is, that Manny has conducted himself as the consumate professional and ambassador of our sport and has been rewarded as such. And the catchweight thing right? Well,as far as the catchweight goes, the limit for a jr. welterweight fight is 154 lbs, not the minimum. So if Margarito (really a 147lber) agrees then it is what it is. Dont hate the player hate the game.

Its tainted.
He may have used PED's.
There are also like 100 belts in 17 different weight classes.
You can cheer him on and make believe he is breaking the same records the old school guys were but he really isnt.
But what ever floats your boat.

[freedom213]

WOW...just wow!

We are witnessing history in the making and all most can do is complain about it! If you would've told me 10 years ago,Manny Pacquiao would be going a title in an 8th division I wouldnt have believed you. Nobody, I repeat nobody has done it, not Ali,not SRR ,SRL,The Hitman(the real one lol)Duran or RJJ. De La Hoya is the closest with 6(ten titles tho!).
I dont really care for his opponent,Margarito but that has no bearing on Pac-Man putting himself in position to seize this illustrious opportunity. The naysayers say what has he done @ 154 to fight for a title? He can fight anyone else, why Margarito? I say all thats up for debate but whats not is, that Manny has conducted himself as the consumate professional and ambassador of our sport and has been rewarded as such. And the catchweight thing right? Well,as far as the catchweight goes, the limit for a jr. welterweight fight is 154 lbs, not the minimum. So if Margarito (really a 147lber) agrees then it is what it is. Dont hate the player hate the game.

It is amazing he can fight at this weight but He is fighting a career welterweight who is now at jr middle and only his 2nd bout since being caught cheating and taking a 1.5 yr layoff then looking less than impressive against a very unimpressive opponent. Hell fighting Cotto at 154 would be more legit but if really wants to "step into the record books" again he would fight a legit jr middle for a belt. It's somewhat an illusion ya dig?

[p4p-champ]

the fight is a sham. period.

and another paper title for the paper champ.

[freedom213]

John Martinez

Fightchronicles.com & Boxscorenews.com

(25Aug2010) All the drama regarding Antonio Margarito’s ability to obtain a boxing license in Texas for his showdown with WBO welterweight titlist Manny Pacquiao is now over.

Moments ago (via telephone) Margarito’s trainer, Robert Garcia, confirmed to me that the fight is on for the November 13 rumble and the press tour to hype this clash has already been scheduled. The first stop on this buzz tour is slated for Monday, August 30 in Los Angeles and will extend to appearances on the east coast.

Now that the fight is happening, a couple of questions should be asked, “Should this fight be for a title fight and what has each fighter done lately to deserve a shot at this title?”

Though this fight is for the vacant WBC light middleweight title, neither man will weigh in at the 154-pound mark.

Garcia explains, “we are very happy to have this fight and I can tell you that the announcement will come out either tomorrow or Friday.”

“We will weigh in at 151 pounds and I believe that Manny (Pacquiao) will actually come in at around 149(lbs.),” Garcia adds, “but this is a good thing; we will be very strong and solid at 151 and I think that Manny will be good at 149 too. I just don’t want any excuses or people having a problem about the weight issue.”

Some people will and do have a problem with the weight topic. Many people believe that catch weights are a setback in boxing. Weight divisions have weight criteria. The practice of challenging other fighters at higher weight classes (let alone for the chance to fight for a world title in that weight division) yet coming in at lesser weight has become the norm of late.

This fight is an example of that “standard”.

How does one campaign or get ranked for a title in a division that he himself (Pacquiao) has not yet fought in?

How does his opponent (Margarito) get the chance to fight for the junior middleweight title when he has only fought once since 2004 in the 154-pound division and the person he fought recently was ranked 23 in the world?

In addition to having only one fight as a junior middleweight in the last six years, Margarito has been under suspension and su****ion since early 2009 when it was discovered that he had plaster in his hand wraps before entering the ring against Shane Mosley.

So what constitutes these two combatants being able to fight for a world title in a weight class that neither man has spent any or little time in as of late?

Is it because Manny is Manny and as Freddie Roach (Manny Pacquiao’s trainer) (in) famously stated that Margarito “has to feed his family and make a living”?

If this is true, others aren’t buying those reasons.

“Come on that’s a joke,” says Manny Steward, “he’s just saying whatever Bob Arum (chief of Top Rank Boxing) wants him to say.”

Steward believes that Roach has lost his way as a trainer and has become more of a promoter of sorts.

“He needs to be a trainer. Lately he’s (Freddie) been saying things that don’t sound like him; now its just like he thinks of the big paydays.”

I’m not sure I personally agree with this assessment, but I did find common ground to stand on with Steward when it came to the issue of catch weights.

“Catch weights should be looked at especially with Pacquiao,” he continued, “he has been fighting guys, but doesn’t weigh in at the weight limit that he challenges them at.”

“I think this should be addressed,” he said.

Another top-flight trainer agrees.

“154(pounds) is 154. Junior middleweight is junior middleweight. Period. Anyone saying anything different don’t know boxing,” said Roger Mayweather, trainer and uncle to undefeated pugilist Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Roger highlighted Manny Pacquiao’s famous conquests to solidify his position.

“He’s been fighting under weights that he challenges at. He didn’t fight Oscar (delaHoya), Ricky (Hatton), or Cotto (Miguel) at 147. He’s always weighing in less and had them drain their bodies to make weight. It’s like cheating.”

“Look. If you’re gonna challenge a muther****er that’s in a higher weight class, then fight at the required weight or don’t challenge him at all and if you’re gonna fight for a title at a bigger weight class then respect that weight and title and fight at 154.”

“Catch weights don’t belong in title fights at all,” said Mayweather.

Aside from the catch weight subject, both Steward and Mayweather argue that Pacquiao and Margarito haven’t done much to earn the right to fight for a recognized belt.

“How is this a title fight? One guy aint fought in the division and the other guy’s been out serving a suspension for possible cheating and fought only once this year at 154,” explains Mayweather.

Steward offered his own assessment on the matter.

“This fight has one guy (Margarito) that has been out serving a suspension that has caused a lot of people to reevaluate his career wins; he hasn’t fought lately except for back in May against a guy that went 10 rounds with him and wasn’t an elite fighter either.”

Steward adds, “the other fighter, Manny (Pacquiao), hasn’t even fought at 154. So how is this a title fight? How are they even ranked to have this opportunity to win a title at junior middleweight?”

While addressing the upcoming battle between Margarito and Pacquiao, Manny detoured slightly from the debate at hand to comment on statements made by Freddie Roach regarding a rematch between Stewart’s charge, WBA super welter weight champion Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao.

In their first and only meeting, Pacquiao stopped Cotto in the twelfth round of their WBO welterweight title collision. The referee stepped in after he saw that Cotto wasn’t fighting back and had already been dropped twice early in the fight.

Roach proclaimed that having Manny Steward in the corner of Cotto wouldn’t “make a damn bit of difference” in the outcome of the fight.

Roach went on to say that he would welcome a second fight between his fighter, Manny Pacquiao and Stewart’s pupil, Miguel Cotto.

“I would take another Cotto fight even with Steward in his corner in a heartbeat because it was that easy.”

Steward answered with, “ I tell it like it is. HBO and everyone knows this.”

“I’m not gonna say things for their (HBO and others) interests. I don’t do that ****.”

Steward finished by saying, “People need to remember when they are trainers. I know I do. He needs to think about the fights and what is fair and right and stop chasing paydays because now he’s (just) following through with what he is being told to say.”

In a final note during the interviews, both Mayweather and Steward stated that Manny Pacquiao would ultimately prevail against Antonio Margarito come fight night, but not before suffering some damage himself.

Said Steward, “this fight will be difficult for Manny, but he will win in the end. Margarito will give him a fight early, but the weight and ring rust will be a problem for him as the fight goes on.”

Mayweather chimed in, “the weight will beat Margarito. He aint fought but once in over a year. Manny will have a rough fight on his hands, but only for a little while early on.”

Roger concluded with a note of caution.

“Margarito was picked (be) cause he’s easy to hit and made for Manny. Its gonna make him look good fighting a bigger guy, but the guy is slow and drained. Either way, it’s a **** fight because neither mother ****er has done anything to earn them the right to fight for this title in this weight class.”

Jmartineztd21@yahoo.com

this is my biggest problem with all of this. Manny I can understand getting ranked and a shot at 154 if it was a true 154 fight not catch weight and against a real champ. Manny had a chance against Yuri Foreman but wanted no part of him, could have fought Sergio Martinez, nope could fight Paul Williams, nope. So now they fight a shadow of a fighter in Margarito at a catch weight. I will give him credit for pounding Margarito if he wins but anytime I discuss this fight I will be quick to point out the realities of the situation. Let's drop the formalities though, this aint about another division it's about money. Manny is calling his own shots now and he is cashing in on an easy night, maybe. Everything could change though if Margarito actually beats him. Can you imagine?

[IMDAZED]

I'm still waiting for him to win his fifth world title. Not the paper variety. The Margarito bout can't be looked at that way when both fighters don't have a belt at 154 and aren't anywhere near the two best fighters in the division. Ludicrous. The fight is what it is, If you're a Pacquiao fan, do what you gotta do and buy it. He's going to need some huge support to make this a success in the public's eye.

[Heru]

3 reasons not to be impressed are:

1- It's for just an alphabet belt. The Undisputed, Ring, and/or lineal titles are where it's at, not a vacant belt from a corrupt organization.

2- It's against an undeserving opponent. Margarito isn't even ranked as a top 10 Jr. Middleweight, let alone a deserving opponent to achieve another record.

3- It's at a catchweight. Catchweight fights should not be allowed when divisions are 7 ****ing pounds apart. Henry Armstrong, SRR, and others didn't demand catchweights when divisions were 14 ****ing pounds apart.

All these ****** corrupt organizations with their ****** titles, additions of their ****** divisions, and these ****** catchweight fights should not be allowed. We got to take it for what it is, severely diluted records.

[lyonheart]

Its not downplaying for me, but I dont like the catchweight. Fight at the weight limit, ya know. Roy Jones didnt have a catchweight for Ruiz, Leonard never asked for catchweights, nor did Robinson, or any of the all time greats,

[sweetpea87]

Its NSB people will downplay anything and everything.

[Shadow boxer 3]

last 2 titles will be at catchweights, **** that shit, cant respect it

[Nuurzhaelan]

hes cementing his title as the catchweight king.

Heh...'cementing'. He's cementing it with margachito. /snicker