Surely Pacquiao is top 10/20 greatest fighters of all time

[bojangles1987]

Top 25, top 30 at least.

I don't see how their is a dispute for this. His combination of speed, skills, power, and his growing intellect in the ring makes him a hard out for anyone you stick him in the ring with hypothetically, and his accomplishments speak for themselves.

[Phil Ivey]

If Ali is top 5 then Pac is as well. I mean Ali was great and all, but the guy is considered the greatest ever fighter, and he didnt even DO BODY PUNCHING. So he wasnt a complete fighter or boxer or whatever you call it but is ranked solely on his resume and how supposedly great it is. And it is.
But things have to be put into perspective.

Yes, he wasn't the greatest fighter because he doing 'do body punching' ROFL. Again you're the same guy who made the comment as seen in my sig, so your credibility goes out the window. Again, congratulations on another hilarious comment.

[#1Assassin]

i dont rank fighters by matching them up in fantasy fights and determing the outcome.. then placing them on the atg p4p list

looking at fighters accomplishments and resume, pacquiaos is up their with the very best

like him or not, ped user or not, the guy ranks as high as top 10/20 of all time. i wouldnt be surprised if people put him in their top 5 for accomplishments n resume..

i think fighters from the past, 1930s 40s etc, get to much butt licking...

from the history forum they talk about some guys who beat a guy who beat a guy but didnt do anything after the win blah blah blah and are impressed with guys who are have records like 88-35

guys from this decade and the last decade dont get enough respect compared to guys who people have never even seen footage of lol

pacquiao is the fighter of decade, and any fighter of the decade is up their with the very best.. same with the 90s like jones jr and whitaker ( who gets a lot of respect from historians actually )

first of all there is plenty of footage from the 30's and 40's, that u dont know that shows u are not very well informed on boxing history. that alone puts your ranking of the ATGs in question, not saying u dont know current boxing or what goes on inside the ring, but boxing history u clearly do not.

also the "PED user or not" comment doesnt make any sense at all, if pac was to get caught using illegal substances that would obviously hurt his legacy badly as it should.

what the whole thing comes down to when comparing current fighters with ATGs is, could they have competed in any era? fighters today often duck and cherrypick oponents, greats in past eras didnt do that. they fought everyone so u knew who the best was, including taking on guys with diffrent styles and being forced to adapt. thats key, being able to adapt to any style. many fighters today dont have that ability and manny for one is yet to be tested in that regard, since he is amongst the fighters who cherrypicked ppl who has a good style for him. that puts him far from the top 20 in my book.

as for fighters in the 30's and 40's, back then the sport was evolved enough for them to compete with current fighters from a skill standoint, and at the same time they were as tough as the less skilled greats from the fight to the finish era. they also worked harder than fighters of today or bare knuckle fighters. any credit the fighters from the 30's and 40's get is well deserved, watch the very much existing footage of their fights and u will know for yourself.

[NChristo]

No, he's not.

He's top 50 but 10/20 really is pushing it :/, he's got a long way to go and will probably never be that high.

[infamous larryx]

can someone post their top 20 if they honestly believe this??

[Rome-By-Ko]

Him and Floyd would make my top 30 ATG fighters.But top five I dunno.

[hugh grant]

Yes, he wasn't the greatest fighter because he didnt 'do body punching' ROFL. Again, congratulations on another hilarious comment.

What is so hilarious about my comment? He didnt body punch so didnt show a complete arsenal of skills and abilities but he was darn good at what he did do. Is that so ******ed a comment to make? Dont just reply to me for the sake of it now!

No, he's not.

He's top 50 but 10/20 really is pushing it :/, he's got a long way to go and will probably never be that high.

In *****s opinions he isnt in top 100. But in most peoples opinions he is right up there with Ali.

[NChristo]

In *****s opinions he isnt in top 100. But in most peoples opinions he is right up there with Ali.

Show me anyone that isn't a "*******" that has him in their top 20.
Then post that 20.

[Rome-By-Ko]

first of all there is plenty of footage from the 30's and 40's, that u dont know that shows u are not very well informed on boxing history. that alone puts your ranking of the ATGs in question, not saying u dont know current boxing or what goes on inside the ring, but boxing history u clearly do not.

also the "PED user or not" comment doesnt make any sense at all, if pac was to get caught using illegal substances that would obviously hurt his legacy badly as it should.

what the whole thing comes down to when comparing current fighters with ATGs is, could they have competed in any era? fighters today often duck and cherrypick oponents, greats in past eras didnt do that. they fought everyone so u knew who the best was, including taking on guys with diffrent styles and being forced to adapt. thats key, being able to adapt to any style. many fighters today dont have that ability and manny for one is yet to be tested in that regard, since he is amongst the fighters who cherrypicked ppl who has a good style for him. that puts him far from the top 20 in my book.

as for fighters in the 30's and 40's, back then the sport was evolved enough for them to compete with current fighters from a skill standoint, and at the same time they were as tough as the less skilled greats from the fight to the finish era. they also worked harder than fighters of today or bare knuckle fighters. any credit the fighters from the 30's and 40's get is well deserved, watch the very much existing footage of their fights and u will know for yourself.

Wow end of thread/Great read.

[Sam Donald]

What is so hilarious about my comment? He didnt body punch so didnt show a complete arsenal of skills and abilities but he was darn good at what he did do. Is that so ******ed a comment to make? Dont just reply to me for the sake of it now!







In *****s opinions he isnt in top 100. But in most peoples opinions he is right up there with Ali.

i agree.. why wouldnt he be?

because ali spoke better english?