Pacquiao, bad for Boxing. (Good article)

[grayfist]

I get where you are coming from but we are only discussing this within the boxing realm. Kirkland deserved to go to jail, Marg doesnt. That said, if Kirkland kills someone in the ring it is not criminal it is tragic. If Marg, with loded gloves does so its criminal.

In essence, the other men committed crimes against society, paid their debt, and returned to work afterwards. Marg cheated the sport so why he doesn't owe society anything his debt to boxing is not being liscensed.

Look at it this way. ******* use is illegal. If a player tests positive in the NFL you get a 4 game ban. ******** is legal. You get caught ******** on an NFL game you get a year suspension or more. ******* use doesn't compromise the integrty of the sport but ******** does.

Kirkland having a loaded gun doesn't compromise boxing's integrity only his own. Marg's gloves compromises the sport because we are not seeing a fair competition.

I have to beg to disagree. Sports are not worlds to themselves. Any Sport's integrity is affected by the conduct of any of its practioners.

My view is that the degree of harshness with which infractions of the rules of any sport are to be dealt with should be calibrated with due considerations towards the standards of penalties that exist in society at large where the dictum, "The punishment should fit the crime" is followed.

Margarito was suspended because of pads that can prejudice the health of his opponent in degrees of intensity that may be beyond the prejudice that is inherent in the sport. However, it must be noted that boxing, by the very nature of its being a contest of skills, is both offense and defense, on both sides. Margarito's opponent therefore had the chance and ability (as a trained professional, he is expected to possess the ability) to defend himself.

On the other hand, an ex-convict, or perhaps a convict on parole, whose previous crime involved the use of lethal instrument, constitutes a threat to defenseless individuals.

It is clear therefore which offense is graver.

Be that as it may, I go back to my original post in which I said that I cannot see how Pacquiao-Margarito can be bad for boxing, or Pacquiao be bad for boxing by fighting Margarito, given that boxing has been hosting former convicts and current convicts all through the decades without suffering for its generosity.

Boxing has provided a chance to former convicts that few other sport, if any, has provided. Rather than be damaged by its doing so, it has been lauded.

It may be in order for it to be just as compassionate towards its own, which is not saying that Margarito should get off lightly. Again, the punishment should fit the crime.

There are such things are various degrees of murder, then there are such things as attempted murder, frustrated murder, etc.

As for your mention of drugs as a violation of rules, I do think that drugs do not pose a direct threat to anyone other than the user and therefore cannot be compared to the possession of deadly weapon or Margarito's pads. Drug use has its own scale of punishment, as is only proper.

Just my view, of course.

[grayfist]

I get where you are coming from but we are only discussing this within the boxing realm. Kirkland deserved to go to jail, Marg doesnt. That said, if Kirkland kills someone in the ring it is not criminal it is tragic. If Marg, with loded gloves does so its criminal.

In essence, the other men committed crimes against society, paid their debt, and returned to work afterwards. Marg cheated the sport so why he doesn't owe society anything his debt to boxing is not being liscensed.

Look at it this way. ******* use is illegal. If a player tests positive in the NFL you get a 4 game ban. ******** is legal. You get caught ******** on an NFL game you get a year suspension or more. ******* use doesn't compromise the integrty of the sport but ******** does.

Kirkland having a loaded gun doesn't compromise boxing's integrity only his own. Marg's gloves compromises the sport because we are not seeing a fair competition.

I have to beg to disagree. Sports are not worlds to themselves. Any Sport's integrity is affected by the conduct of any of its practioners.

My view is that the degree of harshness with which infractions of the rules of any sport are to be dealt with should be calibrated with due considerations towards the standards of penalties that exist in society at large where the dictum, "The punishment should fit the crime" is followed.

Margarito was suspended because of pads that can prejudice the health of his opponent in degrees of intensity that may be beyond the prejudice that is inherent in the sport. However, it must be noted that boxing, by the very nature of its being a contest of skills, is both offense and defense, on both sides. Margarito's opponent therefore had the chance and ability (as a trained professional, he is expected to possess the ability) to defend himself.

On the other hand, an ex-convict, or perhaps a convict on parole, whose previous crime involved the use of lethal instrument, constitutes a threat to defenseless individuals.

It is clear therefore which offense is graver.

Be that as it may, I go back to my original post in which I said that I cannot see how Pacquiao-Margarito can be bad for boxing, or Pacquiao be bad for boxing by fighting Margarito, given that boxing has been hosting former convicts and current convicts all through the decades without suffering for its generosity.

Boxing has provided a chance to former convicts that few other sport, if any, has provided. Rather than be damaged by its doing so, it has been lauded.

It may be in order for it to be just as compassionate towards its own, which is not saying that Margarito should get off lightly. Again, the punishment should fit the crime.

There are such things are various degrees of murder, then there are such things as attempted murder, frustrated murder, etc.

As for your mention of drugs as a violation of rules, I do think that drugs do not pose a direct threat to anyone other than the user and therefore cannot be compared to the possession of deadly weapon or Margarito's pads. Drug use has its own scale of punishment, as is only proper.

I agree that ******** affects sports more than drugs and it is for that reason that in baseball they have "only one rule", ********. But that is an entirely different sphere of offenses.

Just my view, of course.

[The Big Dunn]

I have to beg to disagree. Sports are not worlds to themselves. Any Sport's integrity is affected by the conduct of any of its practioners.

My view is that the degree of harshness with which infractions of the rules of any sport are to be dealt with should be calibrated with due considerations towards the standards of penalties that exist in society at large where the dictum, "The punishment should fit the crime" is followed.

Margarito was suspended because of pads that can prejudice the health of his opponent in degrees of intensity that may be beyond the prejudice that is inherent in the sport. However, it must be noted that boxing, by the very nature of its being a contest of skills, is both offense and defense, on both sides. Margarito's opponent therefore had the chance and ability (as a trained professional, he is expected to possess the ability) to defend himself.

On the other hand, an ex-convict, or perhaps a convict on parole, whose previous crime involved the use of lethal instrument, constitutes a threat to defenseless individuals.

It is clear therefore which offense is graver.

Be that as it may, I go back to my original post in which I said that I cannot see how Pacquiao-Margarito can be bad for boxing, or Pacquiao be bad for boxing by fighting Margarito, given that boxing has been hosting former convicts and current convicts all through the decades without suffering for its generosity.

Boxing has provided a chance to former convicts that few other sport, if any, has provided. Rather than be damaged by its doing so, it has been lauded.

It may be in order for it to be just as compassionate towards its own, which is not saying that Margarito should get off lightly. Again, the punishment should fit the crime.

There are such things are various degrees of murder, then there are such things as attempted murder, frustrated murder, etc.

As for your mention of drugs as a violation of rules, I do think that drugs do not pose a direct threat to anyone other than the user and therefore cannot be compared to the possession of deadly weapon or Margarito's pads. Drug use has its own scale of punishment, as is only proper.

Just my view, of course.

respect! Sports are not worlds to themselves. Any Sport's integrity is affected by the conduct of any of its practioners. I But only the conduct in the sport, not outside of it. A boxer with a criminal record doesn't affect the sport. A non criminal that loads the gloves does. But only within the sport.

I would hire Marg before I did the others. Why, he seems to LIVE honestly. But I would pay to see the others fight before Marg. Why? Because I know the others will FIGHT honestly.

[infamous larryx]

the writer of that article will be red k'd and a petiton will be made for him to be fired

[grayfist]

I;m sorry. I double posted. No spam intended. It's just that I'm not any good at this computer thing. Too old...

I found the screen jumping all over. Dunno what happened. May have touched something...

[grayfist]

respect! Sports are not worlds to themselves. Any Sport's integrity is affected by the conduct of any of its practioners. I But only the conduct in the sport, not outside of it. A boxer with a criminal record doesn't affect the sport. A non criminal that loads the gloves does. But only within the sport.

I would hire Marg before I did the others. Why, he seems to LIVE honestly. But I would pay to see the others fight before Marg. Why? Because I know the others will FIGHT honestly.

Okay. Great talking to you.

[Khalid X]

Dumb article. Everywhere I go everyone knows Manny Pacquaio and talk about how exciting his fights are.

How is that bad for the sport, especially when those are casual fans who don't even give a **** about the sport as a whole, yet would watch Manny fight because of how he fights.

Same with Floyd. People hate his guts etc...but he still is just as know and people talk about him.

With that said.....any attention is good for the sport of boxing. Again, dumb article by an idiotic writer.

[Left Hook Tua]

As I have said from the mere mention of this fight, Tony doesn't deserve to tango with one of the two best fighters in the world. He just doesn't. Then, they are having it at a catchweight for a title at 154, I'm just not with it.

did sharmba mitchell deserve to tango with one of the two best fighters in the world in 2005?

did demarcus corley deserve to tango with one of the two best fighters in the world in 2003?

these kind of fights happen. not every fight can be against top 10 p4p opponents.

pacquiao just fought the #1 super lightweight and #2 welterweight last year.

even clottey as much **** as he gets was a top 5 welterweight.

[MayMafia]

I guess Mayweather Jr. is great for boxing since he:

a. convicted for beating various women including the mother of his children
b. shoots up little kids in roller rinks
c. comes from a family of convicted felons
d. he's so flashy

[infamous larryx]

did sharmba mitchell deserve to tango with one of the two best fighters in the world in 2005?

did demarcus corley deserve to tango with one of the two best fighters in the world in 2003?

these kind of fights happen. not every fight can be against top 10 p4p opponents.

pacquiao just fought the #1 super lightweight and #2 welterweight last year.

even clottey as much **** as he gets was a top 5 welterweight.

did corley or mitchell get banned for cheating...did either of them have the license suspended?