Who Won The 11th Round In Dawson vs. Pascal?

[infamous larryx]

either way dawson lost the fight

[Medved]

Well Woodburn OBVIOUSLY sees it for Pascal so I dont know.

Do you have any proof except gossip that the judge gave the 11th round to Pascal? I havent seen an ounce of proof.

Because american judges dont have wide discreptency on how they see fights and never have crazy scorecards? You seem to be nitpicking this for some reason. lost alot of money and looking to make excuses? EVEN if he did give it to pascal it doesnt mean hes corrupt, maybe he was confused on how to score the round with the headbutt? So his card shouldve been 107 which is what I had it at. look back to the showtime event two weeks ago out of Minessota. there was a local judge who had a WHOLE fight crazy scoring not just one round. Even the commentators pointed it out. I guess Canadian judges arent allowed to make 1 mistake in a fight that has no impact on the fight without being crusaded (if this is even true and he did give him the 11th round). But I guess when an american judge does it he "sees the fight diffirently" and its okay for him to do it.

[infamous larryx]

Do you have any proof except gossip that the judge gave the 11th round to Pascal? I havent seen an ounce of proof.

Because american judges dont have wide discreptency on how they see fights and never have crazy scorecards? You seem to be nitpicking this for some reason. lost alot of money and looking to make excuses? EVEN if he did give it to pascal it doesnt mean hes corrupt, maybe he was confused on how to score the round with the headbutt? So his card shouldve been 107 which is what I had it at. look back to the showtime event two weeks ago out of Minessota. there was a local judge who had a WHOLE fight crazy scoring not just one round. Even the commentators pointed it out. I guess Canadian judges arent allowed to make 1 mistake in a fight that has no impact on the fight without being crusaded (if this is even true and he did give him the 11th round). But I guess when an american judge does it he "sees the fight diffirently" and its okay for him to do it.

???why are you quoting me??

[Bhopreign]

Do you have any proof except gossip that the judge gave the 11th round to Pascal? I havent seen an ounce of proof.

Because american judges dont have wide discreptency on how they see fights and never have crazy scorecards? You seem to be nitpicking this for some reason. lost alot of money and looking to make excuses? EVEN if he did give it to pascal it doesnt mean hes corrupt, maybe he was confused on how to score the round with the headbutt? So his card shouldve been 107 which is what I had it at. look back to the showtime event two weeks ago out of Minessota. there was a local judge who had a WHOLE fight crazy scoring not just one round. Even the commentators pointed it out. I guess Canadian judges arent allowed to make 1 mistake in a fight that has no impact on the fight without being crusaded (if this is even true and he did give him the 11th round). But I guess when an american judge does it he "sees the fight diffirently" and its okay for him to do it.

His card can be 108. What is there to be confused about? He picked a side, no confusion, he's been judging fights for about 10 years. Canadian corruption at its finest.

[Medved]

His card can be 108. What is there to be confused about? He picked a side, no confusion, he's been judging fights for about 10 years. Canadian corruption at its finest.

Where is the PROOF? Saying it 100 times doesnt make it true. I would look at the corruption in your own country before bashing someone for something you heard "somewhere" Where is the papers that show exactly which rounds he gave to who? You sound like a sore loser that nitpicks anything. If this was in America and the positions were reversed you wouldve been saying "Well Dawson had control the whole fight and the judge had a diffirent view, hes not corrupt!"

Even if he had it for Pascal for whatever reason doesnt mean he was paid off or corrupt, he might have had a bad view or made a mistake. I guess american judges NEVER make mistakes. Like I said your trying to stir up contreversy and make excuses for Dawson by trying to play the blame game.

"But im not making exuses"

People think they just pick any random judge out of the street and let him judge a PPV fight. You think its that easy to corrupt a judge? You dont think theres people looking over these guys shoulders to make sure everything is kosher?

[Bhopreign]

Where is the PROOF? Saying it 100 times doesnt make it true. I would look at the corruption in your own country before bashing someone for something you heard "somewhere" Where is the papers that show exactly which rounds he gave to who? You sound like a sore loser that nitpicks anything. If this was in America and the positions were reversed you wouldve been saying "Well Dawson had control the whole fight and the judge had a diffirent view, hes not corrupt!"

What have I sore about, Ive never been huge on Dawson, I wanted him to win yes but I really dont care. But I have a problem with the 11th round, why would there be articles on it from writers at the fight if it didnt happen? They can see scorecards, they are secret. Fight news usually has them up but I dont see it, but they do have an article on the fight which points out Woodburn's corrupt 11th round.

[Uturn]

Doesn't really matter does it?

[Medved]

What have I sore about, Ive never been huge on Dawson, I wanted him to win yes but I really dont care. But I have a problem with the 11th round, why would there be articles on it from writers at the fight if it didnt happen? They can see scorecards, they are secret. Fight news usually has them up but I dont see it, but they do have an article on the fight which points out Woodburn's corrupt 11th round.

So there is no evidence yet just gossip (like there hasnt been gossip before)

cor·rupt
Verb: Cause to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
Adjective: Having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.

IF he was corrupt why would he risk his ass judging a clear round in favour of Pascal when he couldve just played it close and make it seem like the fight was very close? He had nothing to gain from it. If he was corrupt it wouldve been like 105-104 for Pascal to make it look fair. Im going to start keeping a tab on all upcoming fights in USA and Canada with the judges score cards and I'll pm the names to you and see if you kick up a fuss and call people like Jerry Roth corrupt because they gave someone else a clear round.

Think to your self, what did he have to gain by giving Pascal that round if he was corrupt?

I dont think he judged it for pascal but even if he did this guy had nothing to gain from it and was either confused on how to judge the headbutt and the 11th round and might of not counted the 11th fully or made a plain honest mistake. This guy is a 10 year vet and im sure if he was corrupt as you say he is that someone wouldve noticed it long time ago.

[Dave Rado]

Do you have any proof except gossip that the judge gave the 11th round to Pascal? I havent seen an ounce of proof.

David P. Greisman is a proper boxing journalist, and is a member of the Boxing Writers Association of America - he is not a gossiper. He was ringside and in his fight report, he wrote:

"But it must be said that Woodburn’s 108-101 scorecard Saturday in favor of Pascal raised eyebrows among those at ringside. Along with finding just two rounds to give to Dawson, Woodburn scored Round 11 – the round in which Dawson had Pascal badly hurt and had absolutely dominated the action up until the head butt – 10-9 in favor of Pascal.

Say what?"

That said, there are crazy scores in boxing all the time. Two out of three judges scored the fight accurately, which is a good enough ratio to ensure that a robbery would be impossible, and many fights have a worse ratio than that.

[-Antonio-]

Someone gave Pascal that round? Wow.