Replace Kotelnik with Bradley last night...

[bojangles1987]

They both didn't look good?

One fighter DOMINATED the other, at a new weight class, while not having QUITE his best performance.

The other fighter damn near got the **** beat out of him.



Bradley is a whole different beast than Kotelnik.

You're right.. he doesn't he fights a **** load better.



Bradleys timing is far from bad.

And Bradley throws 4-6 punch combinations, something kotelnik did not take advantage of.

He also throws a lot MOAR punches than Kotelnik and has much better conditioning.



I saw Kotelnik have ZERO respect for Devons fight game last night.

I also saw Abregu having respect for Bradley



That can be mother****in debated.

Bradley took one of the biggest p4p punches on the CHIN from a punch he didnt see... got his ass up IMMEDIATELY and dominated the rest of his fight with Holt.

Bradley can handle his **** when he gets hit.

He also doesn't get hit as much as Devon because he has something Devon doesn't.


Wait for it.

Head movement.



Taller doesn't mean bigger, you as a Williams fan should know this.

Bradleys Body strength is one of the strongest if not the strongest in the division.

it's absurd for you to say otherwise.

You've seen the training this kid goes through.



So is Bradleys, especially when he is throwing multiple punch combinations, something Kotelnik did not take advantage of.

The punches Devon were throwing were being pulled back before they even landed.

Devon was punching AT Kotelnik not through him.

And again... Bradley MOVES his head and his body CONSTANTLY all 12 rounds.

It's not so cut and dry.



Yeah... little more to that fight than so cut and dry.

Even Street Bully one of his biggest fans admitted to seeing that fight stating to turn in Urangos favor.

Urangos pressure was getting to Devon, and his punches were getting closer and closer.

Devon got out of that fight by landing two great punches... credit to him for it.

That doesn't change the fact that Devon still showed the same lack of headmovement and defense in that fight that he did last night.

It will be the end of him if he doesn't change it.

Damn, apparently I gave you some green recently because I can't right now. You deserve it for this post though.

[Megamasterking]

Bradley would win that fight, Devon is an easy target, Bradley would play with Devon, he's not ready or just doesn't have the defensive skills to fight with the best. We see that all the time, the prospect Jacobs prove that he was not ready, but if he wasn't KO'D by Pirog the judges were giving him the win...

[mathed]

Man are you ****ing slow? I said I REWATCHED the fight.

Re-WATCHED!

Do you know what that means?

Do you?

Yeah, I'm much faster than you appear to be....it means that either you were drunk last night or caught up in huggery. After today's posts, you realized that you were among the few that thought Alexander actually won last night and to save face, you changed your opinion and am trying to act like those who called it correctly are now out of line...so, yes i do know what the term "rewatched" means as I too rewatched the fight and still came out with the same conclusion. Kotelnik landed the cleaner, more effective punches and Alexaner got a gift....10-2 was your score last night....what was your score today???

[Shadows]

What happens?


First off, I'm sure there a ton of Devon threads today, this is the first chance I got to log on today, so sorry to add to them..

Before the fight started I told my girl... Devon is an excellent fighter, especially offensively.. but his defense doesn't impress me at all.

Now Bradley doesn't have exquisite defense either, so let that be clear... but Bradley DOES have excellent head movement, and he at least gives you different looks throughout the fight. On top of the fact he throws more punches, and he doesn't get tired... at ALL. He's an extremely strong fighter, not a one punch knockout artist, but he does have some pop... but his overall strength of body is impressive.

I see Bradley going forward and Devon backpeddling the entire fight. But not Clottey style. Going forward whilst being active. Most notably, not slowing down towards the end of the fight.

Kotelnik could literally not miss a punch last night.

Whether he threw a jab, a right hand, a hook, a body jab.. .literally EVERYTHING he threw... landed.

If Kotelnik was 10% better, I think he would have won. Devon won purely based on punch output... MOST OF WHICH, did not even land. All outside shots that landed on gloves or didn't even make it to the gloves.



Now I hear a lot of Devon fans saying things like anyone can have a bad night. I agree. Anyone can. However, he has shown the lack of defense and head movement even before.

Even in the Urango fight... most people forget how the fight was going because Devon stopped Urango, and people don't want to think about the fight other than Devon stopped Urango.

I personally felt had Devon not caught Urango with those two clean knockdwon shots, that... that fight was starting to turn into urangos favor... he was getting closer and closer with his shots and his pressure was reigning in on Devon, even by round 4..



Anyways... Replace Kotelnik with Bradley last night... give me your thoughts...

I wouldn't be surprised if Bradley took the first round or two to read Alexander, show him different looks and going with the style or plan he feels is best. One advantage I feel Bradley has over Alexander is that he's more cerebral and has shown the ability to adjust, whereas Alexander hasn't, and he needed to last night.

Burner mentioned how Alexander didn't listen to Cunningham last night, but he didn't listen to him in the Urango fight either. From the first round, Cunningham was on his ass for pulling out with his head in there, something he did for the entire fighter, which was starting to cost him up to the stoppage.

I agree with you on that, that people seem to disregard what was happening in that fight. I also think that people don't really look into some of the success Witter had with him as well. When he turned southpaw, Witter had some success landing lead left hands, throwing them over Alexander's low right hand, something Kotelnik took advantage of.

[Danny Gunz]

I still have Alexander to beat Khan and Bradley I think Ortiz beats Devon. I think a wild card is Judah. No 140 Pounder outside of Paulie gets up from that uppercut.

I think its Kotelniks style that threw Devon off. NO ONE at 140 fights like that dude. He was a tricky bastard last night. Cunningham caught on early but Deon didnt listen. He told him to move and box. There is no excuse why Devon couldt use his legs to trap Kotelnik into left hand bomb counter punches. It was between the ears he didnt listen to his trainer.

I think Khan could beat Devon. Khan blew me away with his performance against paulie.

Alexander and Bradley is a pick em' with a slight edge to Bradley now. But, I have a su****ion that Devon's lackluster fight could have been a result of an even more lackluster training camp. So I could see Devon beating Bradley also.

Props for recognizing Ortiz, alot of people wrote him off just cause of that Maidana fight. But, that guys got the goods to give alot of people problems.

I have to wait to say anything about Zab. He should fight Maidana or Ortiz next then I'll decide where he stands in JWW.

Like I said earlier Devon's training camp had to be complete **** because he literally had no idea what to do for Kotelnik and its not like Kotelnik changed up his style at all.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I think Khan could beat Devon. Khan blew me away with his performance against paulie.

Alexander and Bradley is a pick em' with a slight edge to Bradley now. But, I have a su****ion that Devon's lackluster fight could have been a result of an even more lackluster training camp. So I could see Devon beating Bradley also.

Props for recognizing Ortiz, alot of people wrote him off just cause of that Maidana fight. But, that guys got the goods to give alot of people problems.

I have to wait to say anything about Zab. He should fight Maidana or Ortiz next then I'll decide where he stands in JWW.

Like I said earlier Devon's training camp had to be complete **** because he literally had no idea what to do for Kotelnik and its not like Kotelnik changed up his style at all.

Good points. Something I havent seen mentioned is Alexander's stamina was terrible last night. He was gassing in there. Kotelnik looked like he couldve went 5 more rounds.

[street bully]

Alexander needs to have a fight with Kotelnik again or another top 4 JWW for me to reach a decision. The Alexander I saw last night looked worse than ever mn.

[sicko]

wasn't some of you crying about Bradley's defense after his fight with Abregu? lol just saying...now the same people who was trying to say Bradley is not that good after seeing him against Abregu...now all of a sudden they are Bradley fans

[deanrw]

Before last nights fight, I considered Bradley far more well rounded than Alexander.

Last night confirmed my previous thoughts but multiplied them even more. Alexander to me looked like a fish out of water. He is young though and still not in his prime and that fight may help him try to improve, as I think he and his camp started believing their own hype too much.

Bradley would have beaten him up last night if he was in there instead of Kotelnik. Devin is lucky that time and youth is on his side. He needs a lot of work.

[patpatpts]

Alexander needs to have a fight with Kotelnik again or another top 4 JWW for me to reach a decision. The Alexander I saw last night looked worse than ever mn.

what happen last night was nothing new. everything that went wrong last night was in the urango fight he just knock him out