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  • #21
    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
    losing by ko to floyd does not make 1 past prime automatically.

    lazcano is overblown. he beat lazcano convincingly. so he got hurt. big deal.

    anyone can get hurt.
    Collazo was robbed against him, let's not forget the fight where the ref let him tie his shoes after a knock down, after kosta it was downhill for Ricky.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by WAR ENGLAND View Post
      His confidence was shattered not just by losing but losing by KO, if the ref had not gotten involved he would not have just been hurt but possibly stopped as well. The guys defense was always a little suspect and he had taken some punishment, Hatton vs Kosta would still lose to Pac but not in such a manner in my view..
      hatton can't see the punches coming from southpaws.

      even collazo tagged him and hurt him.

      hatton would have done better if manny was orthodox.

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      • #23
        Hatton in his prime would of got KOed the exact same way.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by PAC&PBFsuck View Post
          Collazo was robbed against him, let's not forget the fight where the ref let him tie his shoes after a knock down, after kosta it was downhill for Ricky.
          ricky has problems with southpaws.

          ehhh..... downhill for ricky?

          same ricky.

          ricky never changed.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by PAC&PBFsuck View Post
            Collazo was robbed against him, let's not forget the fight where the ref let him tie his shoes after a knock down, after kosta it was downhill for Ricky.
            Incorrect. Ricky notched up several good victories post-Kostya.

            Maussa, Castillo, Urango, Collazo.

            His only blemish was a loss to the No.1 P4P Mayweather.


            If Collazo was robbed and therefore Hatton was no longer prime than I guess Pacquiao was no longer prime post-Marquez? No?

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            • #26
              Also consider Pac's prime. He's twice the fighter he use to be.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by WAR ENGLAND View Post
                It's about the same apart from Cotto/Hatton bit

                Hatton was at his best vs Kosta.. not after coming from a Knockout and being badly shaken by Lazcano.

                Cotto was prime around the time he fought Mosley not after he got battered into submission by Margaritto and went live and death with Clottey.

                Btw im not saying they aren't good wins (the Cotto one is really great) but they certainly were past prime in my view.
                You could say Cotto had the prime beaten out of him, but he was still around his prime timewise to be fair.

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                • #28
                  Lehlohonolo Ledwaba - PRIME
                  Marco Antonio Barrera 1 - PRIME
                  Marco Antonio Barrera 2 - PAST PRIME
                  Juan Manuel Marquez 1 - PRIME
                  Juan Manuel Marquez 2 - PRIME
                  Erik Morales 1 - PAST PRIME
                  Erik Morales 2 - PAST PRIME / DRAGGED DOWN IN WEIGHT
                  Erik Morales 3 - SHOT
                  Oscar Larios - PAST PRIME / DRAGGED UP IN WEIGHT
                  Jorge Solis - PRIME
                  David Diaz - PRIME
                  Oscar De La Hoya - SHOT / DRAGGED DOWN IN WEIGHT
                  Ricky Hatton - PAST PRIME
                  Miguel Cotto - NEAR PRIME

                  My slightly altered take on it. You have to acknowledge, though, that some of these fighters even past prime are better than most fighters in their prime. When people criticise Pac's win over Cotto, or Mayweather's win over Mosley for that matter, saying they were past prime or whatever it just makes me scratch my head. Sure, they weren't at their very best, but they still provide bigger tests than say a prime Berto or someone.

                  Also, is it racist that I find Ledwaba's first name hilarious?

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by S.G. View Post
                    Lehlohonolo Ledwaba - PRIME
                    Marco Antonio Barrera 1 - PRIME
                    Marco Antonio Barrera 2 - PAST PRIME
                    Juan Manuel Marquez 1 - PRIME
                    Juan Manuel Marquez 2 - PRIME
                    Erik Morales 1 - PAST PRIME
                    Erik Morales 2 - PAST PRIME / DRAGGED DOWN IN WEIGHT
                    Erik Morales 3 - SHOT
                    Oscar Larios - PAST PRIME / DRAGGED UP IN WEIGHT
                    Jorge Solis - PRIME
                    David Diaz - PRIME
                    Oscar De La Hoya - SHOT / DRAGGED DOWN IN WEIGHT
                    Ricky Hatton - PAST PRIME
                    Miguel Cotto - NEAR PRIME

                    My slightly altered take on it. You have to acknowledge, though, that some of these fighters even past prime are better than most fighters in their prime. When people criticise Pac's win over Cotto, or Mayweather's win over Mosley for that matter, saying they were past prime or whatever it just makes me scratch my head. Sure, they weren't at their very best, but they still provide bigger tests than say a prime Berto or someone.

                    Also, is it racist that I find Ledwaba's first name hilarious?
                    Fair enough.

                    Good points though, although many believe Cotto wasn't the same fighter when Pacquiao fought him, there were really only a couple more better fighters at Weltweight that Manny could've fought.

                    Same goes with Mosley. IMO, he was post-prime but still the No.1 Welterweight when Mayweather defeated him.

                    yeah mate, that is one funny ass name.

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                    • #30
                      Lehlohonolo Ledwaba - PRIME
                      Marco Antonio Barrera 1 - PRIME
                      Marco Antonio Barrera 2 - PAST PRIME
                      Juan Manuel Marquez 1 - PRIME
                      Juan Manuel Marquez 2 - PRIME
                      Erik Morales 1 - PAST PRIME- WORTH NOTING PAC WAS NO WAY NEAR PRIME
                      Erik Morales 2 - PAST PRIME- SAME AS ABOVE
                      Erik Morales 3 - SHOT
                      Oscar Larios - NEAR PRIME
                      Jorge Solis - PRIME
                      David Diaz - PRIME
                      Oscar De La Hoya - SHOT
                      Ricky Hatton - PRIME
                      Miguel Cotto - PRIME - he even said before and after he was in his best physical condition

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