so pac loses every fantasy match up

[jrosales13]

Resume's aren't everything though its about style as well as talent and Pac's style and size make it a tough go with some of the top guys of the different eras. And Pac's fantasy opponents have the luxury of having not lost to weak fighters in the past. I know Pac's a better fighter than he was back then but thats still there.

It doesn't hurt Alexis Arguello why would it hurt Pac?

I really think it is a ****** ass analogy to look at a guy losses when he was a teenager learning to fight and see how he does in fantasy fights. IMO you shouldn't count the losses he had when he was still young especially after the wins he had after that. Just my opinion anyways.

Again I don't really see anybody holding Arguello losses to weak fighters against him in fantasy fights. Because, his wins surpassed those losses. Just like Pac wins surpass his losses.

[jrosales13]

Pacquiao lost to a past prime Morales, JMM.

Roach has said that a 38 year old Shane Mosley at a 142lb catchweight was too good for Pac.

Hes an ATG for sure but hes not up there with Leonard or Hearns.

Is that a fact or an opinion?

Because, the way you wrote it seemed like a fact.

But, it can't be fact. Because, fact is he has draw and a very close competitive win over JMM.

If you really unbiased and saw that fight is no way you could call it a robbery.

[Tyson.]

For your last statement that is just ridiculous... He is high on the ATG list not top 15 IMO but top 50? Yes he is.... Higher than Morales, Oscar, Hopkins, Toney? I say yes he is...

Hopkins has a better resume than Pacquiao and more title defences.

Trinidad>Barrera
DLH 2004>DLH 2007
Tarver>Hatton
Winky>Cotto
Johnson>Morales(at least the version Pacquiao beat)

[Franco2012]

PACQUIAO = GOAT!!!!!!!l

[Franco2012]

*****s should stop with nonsense that JMM got robbed cuz if anyone got robbed it was PACMAN with 10-7 round!

And it was poll here on boxingscene about which one is more robbery CASTILLO MAYWEATHER or PACQUIAO JMM and 70% vote for CASTILLO MAYWEATHER!

NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bushbaby]

There is no need to misinterpret Pacman losing to the prime version of Oscar or think that anyone is degrading his accomplishments just because someone feels that the Oscar he fought was clearly a decade or close to it past his prime!!

Pacman's accomplishments are record setting!!But the fact remains that the current state of the welterweight division is no where near where it was 20 & 30 years ago!!Pacman is making history & beating whoever he needs to beat to set his records,but in my opinion,SRL or Hearns would beat him at 147,prime for prime!!That still doesn't take away from his greatness!!Pacman will be remembered as an atg & rightfully so!!

As of right now,this second,he is recognized as the best welterweight!!Nothing is wrong with that,but he isn't the only fighter in the world that gets his share of discrediting,now is he??There are many elite fighters at 147 & 154 that his team will absolutely avoid!!That's the way it is!!No need to get offended by the truth!!Fighting Margarito at 150 for the 154 pound title is suspect period!!If he fought the Punisher,Martinez,or Angulo for the title at 154,no one would have an opinion credible enough to discredit him by!!

[jrosales13]

Hopkins has a better resume than Pacquiao and more title defences.

Trinidad>Barrera
DLH 2004>DLH 2007
Tarver>Hatton
Winky>Cotto
Johnson>Morales(at least the version Pacquiao beat)

Trinidad at 160 with only 1 fight at that weight> Barrera the lineal champion the best in the division at the time at 126? How so?

Winky at 170? really at 170? And, before that when was the last time he won? How is that better than an easily top 3 WW in Cotto? Really?

The version of Morales was not shot though in the rematch. He still had his legs. Was he prime? Hell no, not even close. But, he was not shot. Now the third fight? Morales was shot to ****. However, at the time Johnson fought Hopkins what Johnson best win?

Where is JMM? Where is Ledwaba who at the time was considered the best 122 pounder at the time? Top 5 WW in Clottey in Pac 7, I repeat 7 should of really been 9th weight-class doesn't count? Why?

A lineal Flyweight champion doesn't count? Why?

Hell even a draw against JMM>A win over that version of Oscar that Hopkins fight...

Why you being so biased carnal?

[jrosales13]

PACQUIAO = GOAT!!!!!!!l

*****s should stop with nonsense that JMM got robbed cuz if anyone got robbed it was PACMAN with 10-7 round!

And it was poll here on boxingscene about which one is more robbery CASTILLO MAYWEATHER or PACQUIAO JMM and 70% vote for CASTILLO MAYWEATHER!

NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

STFU and leave grown folks are talking right now.

[jrosales13]

There is no need to misinterpret Pacman losing to the prime version of Oscar or think that anyone is degrading his accomplishments just because someone feels that the Oscar he fought was clearly a decade or close to it past his prime!!

Pacman's accomplishments are record setting!!But the fact remains that the current state of the welterweight division is no where near where it was 20 & 30 years ago!!Pacman is making history & beating whoever he needs to beat to set his records,but in my opinion,SRL or Hearns would beat him at 147,prime for prime!!That still doesn't take away from his greatness!!Pacman will be remembered as an atg & rightfully so!!

As of right now,this second,he is recognized as the best welterweight!!Nothing is wrong with that,but he isn't the only fighter in the world that gets his share of discrediting,now is he??There are many elite fighters at 147 & 154 that his team will absolutely avoid!!That's the way it is!!No need to get offended by the truth!!Fighting Margarito at 150 for the 154 pound title is suspect period!!If he fought the Punisher,Martinez,or Angulo for the title at 154,no one would have an opinion credible enough to discredit him by!!

And, IMO that is not true. Floyd is the best WW right now. Pac has to prove it by beating Floyd. And, by Floyd actions it will be hard to do since it seems like Floyd really doesn't want to get in the ring with Pac at this moment, this year. But, fact is until Floyd retires again, or officially moves up in weight. He is the best WW until somebody beats him. But, again is quite impossible if dude refuses to fight. Is not really Pac fault.

[Rick Grimes]

There is no need to misinterpret Pacman losing to the prime version of Oscar or think that anyone is degrading his accomplishments just because someone feels that the Oscar he fought was clearly a decade or close to it past his prime!!

Pacman's accomplishments are record setting!!But the fact remains that the current state of the welterweight division is no where near where it was 20 & 30 years ago!!Pacman is making history & beating whoever he needs to beat to set his records,but in my opinion,SRL or Hearns would beat him at 147,prime for prime!!That still doesn't take away from his greatness!!Pacman will be remembered as an atg & rightfully so!!

As of right now,this second,he is recognized as the best welterweight!!Nothing is wrong with that,but he isn't the only fighter in the world that gets his share of discrediting,now is he??There are many elite fighters at 147 & 154 that his team will absolutely avoid!!That's the way it is!!No need to get offended by the truth!!Fighting Margarito at 150 for the 154 pound title is suspect period!!If he fought the Punisher,Martinez,or Angulo for the title at 154,no one would have an opinion credible enough to discredit him by!!

A lot of people and media have Mayweather ahead of him including the ring magazine.