so pac loses every fantasy match up

[Tyson.]

Pac wasnt in his prime, or at his best when he fought Morales and JMM. An indicator of where Pac is ATG wise is how good he is now and how he is performing. If your talking peak for peak. No version of Morales or JMM would beat todays Pac. Pac has surpassed SRL with his dominating performances in his last four or so fights.

Clottey and Cotto arent the best opposition Pac could of fought though.

Pacquiao ducked a fight with SSM, then refused to fight PBF due to OSDT.

Now he wants to fight Margarito when theres Bradley and PWill calling him out.

Until he steps up and fights an african-american we cant rank him high ATG wise.

[hugh grant]

SRL beat Duran, Hearns, Hagler all ATG fighters, how many fighters has Pacquiao beat that come anywhere close to those 3?

I am going to be honest in that SRLs win over Marvin Hagler is so overrated. Did Marvin feel as if SRL beat him? How many people feel that SRL didnt beat Marvin? Its a life and death fight and no one could be called the master in that fight.
SRL win over Duran was ok but he frustrated the one dimensional Duran in that fight more than anything.

CLottey knew he had lost that fight without no judges. So did Cotto know. Its how well you win as well, and Pac was as dominating as it is possible to get at this level of boxing.

[NesNY]

Pac loses all 'fantasy fights'.
Just deal with it.

pretty much.

Manny only wins fights in the ring. He's about 2-40 on NSB Fantasy fight polls.

Floyd is also currently undefeated in NSB fantasy fight polls...which makes him an ATG here.

We already know what boxing fans and the media are saying about him, though.

[jrosales13]

I don't know about a solid top 15 ATG.

I would like to see your top 15 ATG list?

[hugh grant]

Pacquiao ducked a fight with SSM, then refused to fight PBF due to OSDT.

Now he wants to fight Margarito when theres Bradley and PWill calling him out.

Until he steps up and fights an african-american we cant rank him high ATG wise.

Man, where do i begin with this one? Lets not discredit him with fights that didnt happen, rather than the fights that did please!
An American african wont be the making of Pac believe me! Until PBF fights out of his own country without biased refs and judges, he wont be high ATG wise.

[jrosales13]

I am going to be honest in that SRLs win over Marvin Hagler is so overrated. Did Marvin feel as if SRL beat him? How many people feel that SRL didnt beat Marvin? Its a life and death fight and no one could be called the master in that fight.
SRL win over Duran was ok but he frustrated the one dimensional Duran in that fight more than anything.

CLottey knew he had lost that fight without no judges. So did Cotto know. Its how well you win as well, and Pac was as dominating as it is possible to get at this level of boxing.

I just don't know where to start with that statement in the bold.

[S.G.]

I am going to be honest in that SRLs win over Marvin Hagler is so overrated. Did Marvin feel as if SRL beat him? How many people feel that SRL didnt beat Marvin? Its a life and death fight and no one could be called the master in that fight.
SRL win over Duran was ok but he frustrated the one dimensional Duran in that fight more than anything.

CLottey knew he had lost that fight without no judges. So did Cotto know. Its how well you win as well, and Pac was as dominating as it is possible to get at this level of boxing.

[jrosales13]

Clottey and Cotto arent the best opposition Pac could of fought though.

Pacquiao ducked a fight with SSM, then refused to fight PBF due to OSDT.

Now he wants to fight Margarito when theres Bradley and PWill calling him out.

Until he steps up and fights an african-american we cant rank him high ATG wise.

You couldn't go wrong with fighting either Cotto or Shane though at that time period though TBH. He could of fought either one and not be considered a ducker. Or he could of fought one or the other and would be considered a ducker.

He didn't refuse to fight Floyd. They just couldn't agree to the negotiations. Lets not forget that he was willing to do a test that was far and beyond what he war required to was he not? If you going that way you can also say Floyd refuse to fight Pac right?

And, when he couldn't agree with Floyd he fought the next possible available ranked WW in Clottey. Mosley was signed to fight Berto, he had already beaten Cotto, couldn't agree to terms with Floyd.

He should get no credit for Margarito. NONE!!!!!!!!!. The title is bull****, the fight is bull****, the catch-weight is bull****.

For your last statement that is just ridiculous... He is high on the ATG list not top 15 IMO but top 50? Yes he is.... Higher than Morales, Oscar, Hopkins, Toney? I say yes he is...

[jrosales13]

Pac wasnt in his prime, or at his best when he fought Morales and JMM. An indicator of where Pac is ATG wise is how good he is now and how he is performing. If your talking peak for peak. No version of Morales or JMM would beat todays Pac. Pac has surpassed SRL with his dominating performances in his last four or so fights.

Oh lord....

[jrosales13]

I think he's one of the most overrated ATG's ever truthfully. It's to easy to pick apart his wins. Pretty much all of them are clouded. Catch-Weights, over the hill, and **** like that. He's to easy to hit.... So many people in history would beat him. Besides Marquez, who has he faced that's a great counter puncher, or pure boxer?

If he wants to earn points in my book, face guys like Bradley, Mayweather(not his fault he cant there). Quit facing one dimensional punching bags.

WTF is this bull****?