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  • hugh grant
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    #11
    Originally posted by Morales_
    Pacquiao lost to a past prime Morales, JMM.

    Roach has said that a 38 year old Shane Mosley at a 142lb catchweight was too good for Pac.

    Hes an ATG for sure but hes not up there with Leonard or Hearns.
    Pac wasnt in his prime, or at his best when he fought Morales and JMM. An indicator of where Pac is ATG wise is how good he is now and how he is performing. If your talking peak for peak. No version of Morales or JMM would beat todays Pac. Pac has surpassed SRL with his dominating performances in his last four or so fights.

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    • horge
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      #12
      Pac loses all 'fantasy fights'.
      Just deal with it.

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      • S.G.
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        #13
        Boo hoo, people have opinions that are different to mine

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        • NChristo
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          #14
          Originally posted by lfc19titles
          What a joke, a solid top 15 ATG
          I stopped reading there.

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          • gqjohnb
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            #15
            You guys are getting carried away with the resume stuff... Pac's Resume is very very good despite the early losses and the loss to morales and it should be magnified with how many divisions he's been through but its not quite as legendary as its made out to be. Maybe if the Marquez wins were not so controversial and Morales was anywhere close to his prime when he beat him it would be at the Legendary status but...well there you go. The first MAB win was masterful though truly a very special performance. Pac's also been skimming a lil lately in his latest division championships. Diaz wasn't the top guy at 135, Margarito won't be close to the top guy at 154, and as good as the cotto win is at 147 and it is really really good, Cotto wasn't the #1 guy at 147 at the time. Pac is an awesome fighter and anybody who says he isn't great is just outright wrong but I feel like you guys are exaggerating his resume just a little bit. Leonard beat one of the best WW's of all time in his prime in Hearns and beat one of the best Light MW in Hagler albeit late Hearns was still destroying everybody in his path at the time and was at a stronger point in his career than Barrera was in his when Pac beat him so I wouldn't put Pac on Par with Leonard. Before you say it Floyd's resume damn sure isn't there either.

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            • Rick Grimes
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              #16
              Originally posted by hugh grant
              Pac wasnt in his prime, or at his best when he fought Morales and JMM. An indicator of where Pac is ATG wise is how good he is now and how he is performing. If your talking peak for peak. No version of Morales or JMM would beat todays Pac. Pac has surpassed SRL with his dominating performances in his last four or so fights.
              SRL beat Duran, Hearns, Hagler all ATG fighters, how many fighters has Pacquiao beat that come anywhere close to those 3?

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              • Battle Hardened
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                #17
                I think he's one of the most overrated ATG's ever truthfully. It's to easy to pick apart his wins. Pretty much all of them are clouded. Catch-Weights, over the hill, and **** like that. He's to easy to hit.... So many people in history would beat him. Besides Marquez, who has he faced that's a great counter puncher, or pure boxer?

                If he wants to earn points in my book, face guys like Bradley, Mayweather(not his fault he cant there). Quit facing one dimensional punching bags.

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                • gqjohnb
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                  #18
                  Resume's aren't everything though its about style as well as talent and Pac's style and size make it a tough go with some of the top guys of the different eras. And Pac's fantasy opponents have the luxury of having not lost to weak fighters in the past. I know Pac's a better fighter than he was back then but thats still there.

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                  • Irish Hitman
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                    #19
                    Schooled by Poonsawat @ 122

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                    • Too_Slick
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                      #20
                      to make you happy ill tell you this, i see Pacquiao beating Muhammad Ali at a catchweight of 160 pounds, or.............actually gime a sec to think about that one again.

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