ELLERBE: "Calling to ask what Floyd wants is NOT a negotiation..."

[Doctor_Tenma]

My point is that I can just as easily discredit Floyd's recent victories (which I don't by the way) as Vito dismisses Margarito for his lose to Mosley.

I do that on the daily man.




Sometimes I go on Youtube, go from one fight to another, and I'm almost shocked at the amount of fighters who have better resumes then both Mayweather and Pacquiao. The challenges are there, we're suppose to be smarter then this, we're actually the hardcore boxings fans here. So how could anyone condone Pacquiao-Margarito?

[The Big Dunn]

Shane did not try to win. He quit half way through the fight and just fought to survive, just as Clottey did. I attribute that more to Mayweather's brilliance than anything Shane lacks, just as I attribute Clottey's "poor performance" to Manny's brilliance.

Shane didn't quit he got his ass beat. Clottey and Manny landed the same number of punches, manny threw 4x as much. respectfully, 250 punches out of about 1200 is not brilliance. You can't try to win if you don't throw punches.

[RimmyDelicious]

No, I'm such a boxing fan I'd watch it (for free). Dude, I watch Telemundo and Fox en Espanol weekly . I don't appreciate Manny charging me to watch a fight against a fighter who doesn't deserve it, especially when there are FAR more deserving opponents out there. I don't appreciate that **** one bit. Like I said, just cuz I'm a fan doesn't mean I'm a sucker.

Since June of 2007, Floyd Mayweather has fought 3 times. None of those 3 fights (Hatton, JMM, or Mosley) were competitive, Floyd was AT LEAST a 3 to 1 favorite in all of them. 2 of those fighters moved up in weight to fight him. In that same time frame, Manny has fought 7, going on 8 times. He has been the underdog (Oscar) or even money (JMM), he has moved up 3 going on 4 weight divisions.

If we are going to talk about value for money, Manny provides it far more often than Mayweather. Hell, Manny simply provides more than Mayweather, period.

[IMDAZED]

Why cant u understand the point im making, you know that im referring to being insulted by the claims, which any fighter would be if you insinuated such a thing, particularly without evidence. Mayweather had not initially!!! been the victim of Pac insinuating he was on drugs, he was the one throwing insinuations around, how on earth could he conceivably demand something he would not do himself? he dont get a pat on the back for saying he would do it to Lol, lets see if he would be so willing to oblige if Pac insinuated he is a stead head, given Mayweather's massive ego i strongly believe he wouldn't, infact that he would rather walk away from the fight than even come to a compromise.

Can we do the OST debate elsewhere? Trust me, I LOVE debating it but let's stay on point. The last thing I want is more drama about this. You can PM me bro and I promise we can go back and forth.

They already have official!! tests in place, but they are stipulated by commissions, not by Mayweather.

They have weight penalties in place too. But again, we can discuss this over PM.

Just makes me laugh, you sound like a Pac detractor trying to prove his objectivity, it kinda goes against the grain of what you have said, particularly with all the stuff you back Mayweather on, which seems to be everything, you already openly admitted to thinking that Pac is knowingly taking drugs.

This is getting sad. Alright, obviously you just wanna do the *******/***** debate, which I repeatedly said we should get away from. I responded specifically to Margarito, I didn't want to get bogged down in this. Like I said, if you'd rather discuss that, PM me. If not, nice talking to you, bud.

[IMDAZED]

Since June of 2007, Floyd Mayweather has fought 3 times. None of those 3 fights (Hatton, JMM, or Mosley) were competitive, Floyd was AT LEAST a 3 to 1 favorite in all of them. 2 of those fighters moved up in weight to fight him. In that same time frame, Manny has fought 7, going on 8 times. He has been the underdog (Oscar) or even money (JMM), he has moved up 3 going on 4 weight divisions.

If we are going to talk about value for money, Manny provides it far more often than Mayweather. Hell, Manny simply provides more than Mayweather, period.

That's fine but I'm not comparing the two. Every thing is judged on it's own merit and we are discussing Antonio Margarito who, aside from being on Top Rank, has done nothing to warrant a shot. Nothing.

[RimmyDelicious]

Shane didn't quit he got his ass beat. Clottey and Manny landed the same number of punches, manny threw 4x as much. respectfully, 250 punches out of about 1200 is not brilliance. You can't try to win if you don't throw punches.

Manny won every round and beat the hell out of a fighter in Clottey who had never in his entire career of fighting the elite welterweights been clearly defeated. If that isn't brilliance in your eyes than you must be blind.

[RimmyDelicious]

That's fine but I'm not comparing the two. Every thing is judged on it's own and we are discussing Antonio Margarito who, aside from being on Top Rank, has done nothing to warrant a shot. Nothing.

My point is that Manny Pacquaio actually fighting a fight, regardless of what you think of Margarito, is not the problem with this sport. Floyd Mayweather taking the rest of the year off, yet another year of his quickly dwindling prime, is a monumental problem. If you are looking for problems with the sport, you are barking up the wrong tree going after Manny.

[IMDAZED]

My point is that Manny Pacquaio actually fighting a fight, regardless of what you think of Margarito, is not the problem with this sport. Floyd Mayweather taking the rest of the year off, yet another year of his quickly dwindling prime, is a monumental problem. If you are looking for problems with the sport, you are barking up the wrong tree going after Manny.

Fighting a fight is one thing. Charging for an underserving challenger is another. I don't care what the next man does with his money - go on vacation, **** hookers, whatever. I do care what you ask me to do with mine. And the problem is the sport is that they keep asking the fans to pay for horse**** that's not worth it. Like a guy banned who hasn't had a significant win since Bush was president.

[The Big Dunn]

Manny won every round and beat the hell out of a fighter in Clottey who had never in his entire career of fighting the elite welterweights been clearly defeated. If that isn't brilliance in your eyes than you must be blind.

Rimmy:

It doesn't matter if Clottey who had never in his entire career of fighting the elite welterweights been clearly defeated . How is landing less than 25% of the punches you throw brilliance? Please man be reasonable. He won every round because his opponent didn't try to win.

Now the cotto fight or the hatton fight those were great performances.

[IMDAZED]

Manny won every round and beat the hell out of a fighter in Clottey who had never in his entire career of fighting the elite welterweights been clearly defeated. If that isn't brilliance in your eyes than you must be blind.

Clottey is a joke. Please don't go there. I thought he was a jokester before he fought Pacquiao.