Im starting to believe Manny is hiding something..

[KickAzz]

that's because it was a tune up. he fought santos at 154 in 2004. guess he wasn't a welterweight the past 6 years when he fought all his fights there?

exactly. i don't think margarito has ever said he can't make 147 lbs or that he was struggling to make WW or that he is leaving the WW division to campaign at jr MW.

[Rick Grimes]

that's because it was a tune up. he fought santos at 154 in 2004. guess he wasn't a welterweight the past 6 years when he fought all his fights there?

Margarito says he struggled to make 147 against Mosley.

[DondiNeverLeft]

That is clearly an echo of your belief.

Let me digest what you are trying to say here.
1. If he KO this guys at their natural weight, he would look like he's on peds
2. If he KO this guys at a catchweight, he is using a smokescreen so people would think he is not using peds

Either way, imo, you are not really starting to believe but had already decided that he is on peds.

Your opinion is fine with me.
And if it helps you sleep better...Yes I have been viewing him fishy for a while now.
ANY BOXER THAT HAD 90% of his fights in his country (Philippines) and his first 35 or so fights in HIS COUNTRY had a record of 35 wins 2 losses(by KO early)and one draw. Then in his next 10 fights loses again and gets another draw. Then after 40 something fights he starts to peak as he gains weight...CMON!!!! wake up and understand this is not normal....He may be cleaner than you underwear but it looks fishy.

[Pogue69]

actually I think pac would make less money fighting guys with no fanbase or mainstream recognition like bradley.


I don't really see what's wrong with them fighting at 150 given that margarito is a WW.


I think pac fights at catchweights because (1) he is testing the waters in a new weight division that he has no business being in (2) he doesn't want every 154 lber calling him out.

Imagine that...A JMW "champion" being called out by Junior Middleweights!! So without saying as much, you are acknowledging that it is a BS "championship" title...LOL!!!!

[mathed]

Way off my point but here it goes.... A money thing would happen either way. There is no more money in a catchweight fight then the proper fight. The only one one that gets more money here is Marg.Pac will get his either way. But Marg will also fight him at whatever weight Pac says because his career is hanging by a thread. As for the PED thing....I said I believe that he throws the catchweight demand in so that when he wins it can be viewed as "the catchweight" helped him win as opposed to LiL Pac is just jumping up and destroying guys in their natural weights because that raises eyebrows even more.

My point is that Marg's will bend to Pac's will just to get a paycheck, Pac will get his usual cash regardless. Margs' career may indeed be hanging by a thread which further enforces the fact that he will give in to whatever Arum says he needs to in order to get that check. The catchweight thing is just to make it easier on Pac...I think Pac would face him at 154 but why if he is willing to fight at 150? Pac has the bargaining power in this fight and Aum is taking advantage of it......it has nothing to do with PEDS

[daggum]

Margarito says he struggled to make 147 against Mosley.

well im sure he struggles every time to make it he's a big dude. i don't think there was any real difference when he fought mosley and any of his other fights the only difference was he got clobbered. anytime a fighter loses out come the excuses about being weight drained, my colon fell out, unlucky socks etc...

[IMDAZED]

My point is that Marg's will bend to Pac's will just to get a paycheck, Pac will get his usual cash regardless. Margs' career may indeed be hanging by a thread which further enforces the fact that he will give in to whatever Arum says he needs to in order to get that check. The catchweight thing is just to make it easier on Pac...I think Pac would face him at 154 but why if he is willing to fight at 150? Pac has the bargaining power in this fight and Aum is taking advantage of it......it has nothing to do with PEDS

Hanging by a thread? Really? He's probably getting the biggest check of his career in a PPV bout against a superstar. Seems as if his career is doing pretty great.

[DondiNeverLeft]

My point is that Marg's will bend to Pac's will just to get a paycheck, Pac will get his usual cash regardless. Margs' career may indeed be hanging by a thread which further enforces the fact that he will give in to whatever Arum says he needs to in order to get that check. The catchweight thing is just to make it easier on Pac...I think Pac would face him at 154 but why if he is willing to fight at 150? Pac has the bargaining power in this fight and Aum is taking advantage of it......it has nothing to do with PEDS

That theory is fine but he did it to Cotto too.
IF the majority belief is that Pac would beat Cotto at 147 or 154 and Margarito at 154...then whats the deal with him taking a beating from the fans ? Why would he throw himself under the bus for nothing? Im sticking to the smokescreen theory.

[ADP02]

Im starting to believe Manny is hiding something...You ask why?
I really dont see why he is asking fighters to come in at a catchweight and most of us cant really understand it.
Pac asks Cotto to come in at 145 for a 147 lb belt then asks Margarito to come in at 150 for a 154 lb belt.
Its starting to look like he is trying to justify his wins or KO's of "bigger guys".
Maybe it wont look so fishy to fans if he KO's a bigger guy if he makes them fight at a catch weight hmmmm?
I have heard many guys in here Supposedly hardcore fans say, "Pac can beat Margarito at 154 no problem and Cotto at 147 or 154 no problem. Then Why the catchweights?
Im starting to think its a smoke screen, becuase if he KO's these guys at their wieght then he will look even more of a freak then he already looks to most. PED?

On another note how the hell does Arum defend not fighting PW BRADLEY AND ALEXANDER "because their names are not big enough to draw money" but its OK to fight Clottey and Margarito? WTF

So you just started to believe (PEDs) or did this happen the second after Floyd told you to start believing?

[DondiNeverLeft]

Hanging by a thread? Really? He's probably getting the biggest check of his career in a PPV bout against a superstar. Seems as if his career is doing pretty great.

I doubt if he gets the money he would have gotten if his career wasnt hanging by a thrad.