One Rule Change, like MMA, Boxing would be different. Continue to fight when down...

[AllEyesOpen]

Yes, very true. But there is still a point to be made with the level of unfair treatment towards the fighter who is able to hurt that opponent, downs that opponent...but has to allow his opponent to recover.

In the end, if the victor is the person that comes back from being hurt/knock-down, because those 8 crucial seconds helped him recover...how does that prove he is the better fighter when he could have most likely been defeated?

If you have power the you can stop someone regardless of an 8 count. & If you have a solid chin and can recover within 8 seconds that's impressive also. How about the other way around, I've seen a few mma fights in which the loser wasn't even that hurt he just took 2 or 3 blows to the face while he was grounded and the fight was stopped, does that mean that said fighter couldn't have recovered from those shots if given the opportunity?

[KickAzz]

we live in a different day and age.

mma gets away with it because the guy that is down can attempt to mount from the bottom until his head is cleared, where as the boxer that is down can't lie down until he isn't woozy anymore.

different sport, different rules.

[Benny Leonard]

It's a rule. Both combatants know and agree to the rules before the match. How can it be unfair when the rule is implemented for both fighters?

Put yourself in the position of a professional prize fighter who has just knocked down his opponent. Do you think in his head he is thinking how unfair it is that he can't pounce on his fallen foe? No. He know's what the rules are and he knows he didn't do enough to finish the job, and the fight continues.

Unfair as far as what boxing was originally intended for. If you want to make such rules, fine...but keep that in training/sparring. Like in Roach's gym: If you get a guy hurt, don't finish him.

But in an actual fight, a fight that counts to prove who is better...Yes, I would think it is unfair to not be allowed to pound my opponent until he is completely out cold or the ref stops it. Just like I would find it unfair if I got into a fight on the street and somebody tries to stop me from further attacking my opponent because I should allow my attacker to regain his composure and possibly come back to kill me.


"Didn't do enough to finish the job?"
You stopped him from finishing the job.

[Benny Leonard]

If you have power the you can stop someone regardless of an 8 count. & If you have a solid chin and can recover within 8 seconds that's impressive also. How about the other way around, I've seen a few mma fights in which the loser wasn't even that hurt he just took 2 or 3 blows to the face while he was grounded and the fight was stopped, does that mean that said fighter couldn't have recovered from those shots if given the opportunity?

Except we have seen many times fighters with power knock someone down, the opponent gets up, and comes back to win. Those 8 seconds are crucial for recovery...especially if you can hang on until the round is over.

And I've seen boxing matches where they are prematurely stopped.
It happens in both sports.

If you want, we can always go back to a more sure way of doing things as far as making sure the fight is "over." Like in ancient rules of boxing. Out-cold or dead. This way, nobody can complain about a premature stoppage.


Still, the fighter that is hurt on the ground shouldn't be given time to recover. If he needs time to recover, he is going to have to figure out how to survive while being on the ground and being attacked...just like MMA fighters do. Just like you would have to in War or on the street.

[PittyPat]

Boxing is not meant to represent an actual fight anymore, though. That's for the bare-knuckle days. Technically when we watch these guys in the ring, they're having a 'contest' and not a fight. We also have padded gloves, rules, athletic commissions and medical crews on standby.

A real fight has none of those. If one so hankers for a 'br00tal' punch-up where you can beat the **** out of someone when they're down, go and find a street thug with whom to have it out. The rest of us are perfectly happy with the SPORT we have now.

[Benny Leonard]

Boxing is not meant to represent an actual fight anymore, though. That's for the bare-knuckle days. Now we have padded gloves, rules, athletic commissions and medical crews on standby.

A real fight has none of those. If one so hankers for a 'br00tal' punch-up where you can beat the **** out of someone when they're down, go and find a street thug with whom to have it out. The rest of us are perfectly happy with the SPORT we have now.

So maybe we should make it even more of a sport, more safer, and go towards today's current amateur style boxing...yes?

My point still is about it being unfair for the fighter that hurts his opponent first by knocking him down, to not be allowed to continue on the attack to see if he can stop his attacker. And if he should lose because that recovery time helps the hurt opponent...how does that prove who is really the better fighter?

Yes, I understand he would be considered better "based on the rules allowed" but that doesn't mean he is the better fighter overall on what boxing was originally intended for.


In the end, you still have two athletes beating the crap out of each other wanting to take out their opponent. So let's not get carried away in thinking this is a golf match.

[AllEyesOpen]

Except we have seen many times fighters with power knock someone down, the opponent gets up, and comes back to win. Those 8 seconds are crucial for recovery...especially if you can hang on until the round is over.

And I've seen boxing matches where they are prematurely stopped.
It happens in both sports.

If you want, we can always go back to a more sure way of doing things as far as making sure the fight is "over." Like in ancient rules of boxing. Out-cold or dead. This way, nobody can complain about a premature stoppage.


Still, the fighter that is hurt on the ground shouldn't be given time to recover. If he needs time to recover, he is going to have to figure out how to survive while being on the ground and being attacked...just like MMA fighters do. Just like you would have to in War or on the street.

MMA matches are stopped way sooner then boxing matches, and reasonably so, a fighter on the floor can't do much more then take the full force of the punches, but 2-3 shots and a fight is over just sucks, and i've seen it a few times. Boxing is a stand up combat sport, and i honestly doubt that a fighter that's been hurt by a punch will recover in 8 seconds, unless of course he wasn't that hurt in the first place.

[Home town hero]

i dont watch MMA for many reasons but the strikes on the ground. I hate it its actually gash. It makes the fight unfair. Anyone can throw a lucky punch and then jump on your opponent and pound them till they are out cold.

Were im from if you get in a fight its one on one. It stays that way no matter what untill either guy fights like a *****. Weapons and hiting on the floor being the man ones. You knock somone down you step back you let them get up and if they want to carry on you knock them down again. Thats the way i fight thats the way my friends fight.

But if watched many friends get repeatedly knocked down and stood their and watched. If my friends had to jump in for me in a fair fight id feel like a right ****. But if theyre getting beaten in an infair fight, on the floor, weapons or geting more people involved their fair game and its going to be painful.

MMA is for rednecks and white trash who have no class. The only good bits of MMA are the strikes kicks and punches. Watch kickboxing then.

[Benny Leonard]

MMA matches are stopped way sooner then boxing matches, and reasonably so, a fighter on the floor can't do much more then take the full force of the punches, but 2-3 shots and a fight is over just sucks, and i've seen it a few times. Boxing is a stand up combat sport, and i honestly doubt that a fighter that's been hurt by a punch will recover in 8 seconds, unless of course he wasn't that hurt in the first place.

Which has more advantage for a fighter that is hurt:

Fighter A that has been knocked down on the ground, hurt, but isn't allowed any time to recover....

Or

Fighter B that has been knocked down on the ground, hurt, and is allowed 8 second to recover and is allowed back on his feet?


And I've seen MMA matches where they wind up like this...




your point?

Early stoppages happen in both sports. You can always talk to the ref or go back to the original rules of ancient boxing to make sure there are no early stoppages.




The only point I'm trying to make with MMA is that it is more catered towards what fighting was originally intended for as far as picking a true winner as far as sticking with what these martial arts were originally intended for. note: boxing is a part of martial arts.

I watch boxing way more than MMA.

And I do like the rules in allowing the action to be stopped in a boxing match when an opponent is down because it can prolong a fight.

But still not my point.

[Benny Leonard]

i dont watch MMA for many reasons but the strikes on the ground. I hate it its actually gash. It makes the fight unfair. Anyone can throw a lucky punch and then jump on your opponent and pound them till they are out cold.

Were im from if you get in a fight its one on one. It stays that way no matter what untill either guy fights like a *****. Weapons and hiting on the floor being the man ones. You knock somone down you step back you let them get up and if they want to carry on you knock them down again. Thats the way i fight thats the way my friends fight.

But if watched many friends get repeatedly knocked down and stood their and watched. If my friends had to jump in for me in a fair fight id feel like a right ****. But if theyre getting beaten in an infair fight, on the floor, weapons or geting more people involved their fair game and its going to be painful.

MMA is for rednecks and white trash who have no class. The only good bits of MMA are the strikes kicks and punches. Watch kickboxing then.

That would actually happen in a real fight...right?


Wait, so if you are in a school-yard fight or you are jumped you allow your attacker time to recover and get back up?
Bull****.

You hurt your attacker and try to finish him.

That's what boxing was originally made for...WAR.

All the stuff you are talking about is for training purposes. Don't finish off your opponent. That's what you do with friends you train with.


Martial Arts, which MMA and Boxing are a part of was created for warfare and self-protection.

A better example of who is better is allowing the fight to simulate something closer to an actual real-life fight with what you learned in your discipline. That's my point.


And remember, you are trash as well then for watching boxing since it is argued by some that a more modern, cultured man of study, who wants to evolve the human-race for the better, would not want to watch such a brutal, animal like, violent "sport."





From an interview with Rocky Marciano:

There is a famous story of the Rock’s pugilistic encounter in a wartime brawl in a British pub. ‘Right! That’s true. But if I get in trouble like that now I have to back away. Talk my way out of it. I have to … I never like to see people hurt. I was an old man when I won the world title – I was twenty-eight. That’s why Patterson can’t beat Clay! He’s an old man. He’s twenty-seven.’

The Rock’s finger’s play constantly with the poke of his English ratting cap on his head. Going bald has hurt the Rock more than anything could do in the ring. He wears the cap even indoors and, for public appearances, a well-made American hair-piece.

‘Over here in Britain boxing is so civilized anyway. They’d never let me become heavyweight champion of England – I bleed too easy. Sure there are fights that not quite right. But not the world heavy championship. There’s too many people like Norman Mailer – like you – watching us all the time.’

The eyes soften. ‘I don’t even go to the fights any more. Don’t like to see people getting hurt. I’m a bad fight referee even.’ The Rock admits it sadly. ‘I spoil the fights. Soon as one of the fellers starts bleeding a little even, I stop the fight. The crowd don’t like it. You hear the crowd yelling. Screaming. Go on! Let ‘em fight! Beat him to death, go on! That’s the really brutal part of the boxing. The crowd.



But now having retired undefeated from the ring Rocky, had turned against the very idea of boxing and he said he thought it ought to be banned. An interesting notion from the British public these very days, when a recent series of tragic ring deaths and serious injuries have been grabbing public attention.

http://www.john-summers.net/marciano.html