Rank these guys at Welterweight from best to worst

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  • boxasmash
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    Rank these guys at Welterweight from best to worst

    Based on who would win head to head. Welterweight is my all time favourite weight but in the past 10-15 years alone we've had some great ones.

    Rank these on who you feel would do the best head to head. All in their prime at 147 or as close to being in their prime that was they at 47.

    Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya, Pernell Whitaker, Ike Quartey, Shane Mosley, Vernon Forrest, Ricardo Mayorga, Antonio Margarito, Floyd Mayweather, Paul Williams, Miguel Cotto, Manny Pacquiao, Andre Berto.

    It's very, very tough to do.

    My attempt

    1. Trinidad (would lose to quite a few on here but his power is his great equalizer, one thing Tito could do was punch. Several of these guys would not go 12 with him. Trinidad went undefeated as a Welterweight with a perfect 36-0 record)

    2. Mosley (younger Mosley circa 2001 had the power to stop the likes of Floyd plus his added speed, relfexes, stamina and form.)

    3. De La Hoya (lost to the two above, also to Mayweather but at a later date. His boxing ability and size combined makes him as dangerous as any)

    4. Mayweather (could be ranked #1 but it's hard to say how good he really is at 147 which is not his best weight. Has wins over older versions of 2 boxers above)

    5. Whitaker (maybe a bit low, even for a Whitaker fighting at a weight he was never that big in. Has losses to 2 fighters ranked higher)

    6. Quartey (never had a great win at 147 but maybe he should have, with his boxing skills and great jab, he gives all these guys fits)

    7. Pacquiao (also hard to say where he fits in as I've always maintained that he is still a blown up lightweight, would beat most of these guys but his size could be a major hindrance)

    8. Forrest (a tall fighter with an excellent jab, knew how to use timing perfectly. Would be a massive challenge for everyone to figure out, has showed weakness when attacked by aggressive fighters)

    9. Cotto (a great boxer puncher who has taken on all comers in his career, lost to Margarito but I feel would do better versus others than the Mexican would)

    10. Williams (it's hard to say where Williams should be, he has a big win at 147 over Antonio Margarito but a surprising loss to the uninspiring Carlos Quintana, not sure if it's his best weight. Would give everyone trouble regardless with his size and workrate)

    11. Margarito (another fighter who has fought every body in his career, holds a big win over Cotto which is now clouded in doubt. His shocking loss to a 38 Shane Mosley does not help his cause when being compared to greats of the modern era)

    12. Mayorga (holds two wins over the late Vernon Forrest, never a boxing purists' favourite, Mayorga was one of the fans fighters who was a face first slugger. Didn't bother to learn how to box but his fans would have it no other way, his power, strength and pure toughness got him a long way)

    13. Berto (the youngest fighter of the list and one of only 2 active title holders on this list, has a lot to proof when being compared to the field. Has athleticism in abundance but has yet to be truly tested)
    60
    Trinidad
    26.67%
    16
    De La Hoya
    10.00%
    6
    Mosley
    3.33%
    2
    Mayweather
    30.00%
    18
    Pacquiao
    13.33%
    8
    Quartey
    1.67%
    1
    Cotto
    5.00%
    3
    Whitaker
    10.00%
    6
    Williams
    0.00%
    0
    Forrest
    0.00%
    0
    Last edited by boxasmash; 07-18-2010, 12:02 AM.
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    I didn't write all that **** for nothing, bump!

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      #3
      Best as in skills or resume???

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        Originally posted by boxasmash
        I didn't write all that **** for nothing, bump!
        Sorry dawg, but it looks like no one could give a flying ***. But good typing skills all the same. Have some green. Umm on second thougths...... lol just joking

        1. Floyd Mayweather in terms of skills

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          #5
          You've got some balls putting Trinidad #1.

          And I agree.

          Undefeated at WW. Ridiculous power. Badly managed as hell by his devilish dad. Neither Margo nor Cotto would have existed under his watch at WW.

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            Oh head to head..Ill do hardest to beat.

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            • B.U.R.N.E.R
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              Originally posted by boxasmash
              Based on who would win head to head. Welterweight is my all time favourite weight but in the past 10-15 years alone we've had some great ones.

              Rank these on who you feel would do the best head to head. All in their prime at 147 or as close to being in their prime that was they at 47.

              Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya, Pernell Whitaker, Ike Quartey, Shane Mosley, Vernon Forrest, Ricardo Mayorga, Antonio Margarito, Floyd Mayweather, Paul Williams, Miguel Cotto, Manny Pacquiao, Andre Berto.

              It's very, very tough to do.

              My attempt

              1. Trinidad (would lose to quite a few on here but his power is his great equalizer, one thing Tito could do was punch. Several of these guys would not go 12 with him. Trinidad went undefeated as a Welterweight with a perfect 36-0 record)

              2. Mosley (younger Mosley circa 2001 had the power to stop the likes of Floyd plus his added speed, relfexes, stamina and form.)

              3. De La Hoya (lost to the two above, also to Mayweather but at a later date. His boxing ability and size combined makes him as dangerous as any)

              4. Mayweather (could be ranked #1 but it's hard to say how good he really is at 147 which is not his best weight. Has wins over older versions of 2 boxers above)

              5. Whitaker (maybe a bit low, even for a Whitaker fighting at a weight he was never that big in. Has losses to 2 fighters ranked higher)

              6. Quartey (never had a great win at 147 but maybe he should have, with his boxing skills and great jab, he gives all these guys fits)

              7. Pacquiao (also hard to say where he fits in as I've always maintained that he is still a blown up lightweight, would beat most of these guys but his size could be a major hindrance)

              8. Forrest (a tall fighter with an excellent jab, knew how to use timing perfectly. Would be a massive challenge for everyone to figure out, has showed weakness when attacked by aggressive fighters)

              9. Cotto (a great boxer puncher who has taken on all comers in his career, lost to Margarito but I feel would do better versus others than the Mexican would)

              10. Williams (it's hard to say where Williams should be, he has a big win at 147 over Antonio Margarito but a surprising loss to the uninspiring Carlos Quintana, not sure if it's his best weight. Would give everyone trouble regardless with his size and workrate)

              11. Margarito (another fighter who has fought every body in his career, holds a big win over Cotto which is not clouded in doubt. His shocking loss to a 38 Shane Mosley does not help his cause when being compared to greats of the modern era)

              12. Mayorga (holds two wins over the late Vernon Forrest, never a boxing purists' favourite, Mayorga was one of the fans fighters who was a face first slugger. Didn't bother to learn how to box but his fans would have it no other way, his power, strength and pure toughness got him a long way)

              13. Berto (the youngest fighter of the list and one of only 2 active title holders on this list, has a lot to proof when being compared to the field. Has athleticism in abundance but has yet to be truly tested)
              1. Mayweather
              2. Trinidad
              3. Whitaker
              4. Forrest
              5. Mosley
              6. Williams
              7. Cotto
              8.. Quartey
              9. Oscar
              10. Pacquiao
              11. Margarito
              12. Mayorga
              13. Berto

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              • Real King Kong
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                #8
                if we're talking prime vs prime head to head here...forrest should be ranked higher.

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                  i actaully agree with burners list.

                  floyds def num 1.. WW and lineal Champ...TWICE. unbeaten
                  Last edited by Pacquiao'd; 07-17-2010, 09:06 PM.

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                  • JmH Reborn
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                    Here is what I came up with, looking at all the names in the selection....

                    1. Trinidad
                    2. Oscar
                    3. Mosley
                    4. Mayweather
                    5. Whitaker
                    6. Quartey
                    7. Cotto
                    8. Forrest
                    9. Williams
                    10. Margarito
                    11. Pacquaio
                    12. Mayorga
                    13. Berto

                    My number 2 and 3 are interchangeable, but I ranked DLH just a notch higher because he by all rights should have won the rematch and he had the Trinidad won all the way up to the 8th round and then, well you know. Trinidad is my number won, just by pure domination. I believe he had 15 or 16 title defenses and just dominated everyone. Oscar, Trinidad and Mosley were the best WW in the last 15 years.

                    I have May at four just because lack of quality opponents in the WW division. His capture the lineal titles is what got him there, but after that, his defenses and stuff has been soft. His win against Mosley was just several years too late, and he's been in the division for six years and Mosley is the only guy sans Baldomir that were WWs. I can't in good conscience put him above the Top 3 in their primes, since I think they would have beaten him in their primes.

                    Whitaker and Quartey are right after, and they are there as they were exiting their primes, but still putting up great fights, much respect. Cotto and Forrest are next. Cotto had a great run in the 2000s and had sustained staying power. His resume speaks for itself. His sustained excellence put him there for me. I have Williams and Margarito next. They had good wins. I actually struggled with their placement...Williams beat Margarito, but Margarito beat Cotto who had a great run in the WW division. I'm still debating it I guess...

                    For the final three, I considered putting Mayorga above Pac because he did more, but much respect to Pac for besting Cotto and Clottey...it was a tough call with Mayorga getting the Vernon Forrest wins. I have Pac low, but honestly...in 15 years, he only has two fights in WW and it wouldn't be fair to have him so high without putting in some dedicated time in the division. I have no problems believing though that he would give all these guys the business and be very competitive if not win.

                    And Berto is Berto, I'm sure there were better alternatives LoL

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