Who is the best counter puncher off all time???

[oldgringo]

I'm not gonna argue with Robinson being the greatest of all time. I've always called Robinson the greatest, because he revolutionized boxing, The great Ali tried to be like him. But I've seen many Robinson fights, but the technology is so bad, it's hard to tell how good his counter punching skills were. It wouldn't surprise me if he was the greatest counter puncher of all time, but if you watch the old tapes, it doesn't really give you a clear answer. I've seen the classic Alexis Arguello fights against Pryor & noway I will call Arguello as one the best counter punchers of all time. I didn't mentioned my favorite fighter of all time which is Hagler, I thought Hagler in his prime was a better counter puncher then Arguello, so I didn't mentioned my favorite fighter of all time & my Idol when I was growing up. Arguello should not be in that list, again this my opinion, I guess me & you will agree on it.

You really have no grounds to speak on Arguello then, because you just outed yourself and admitted to only seeing him when he was well past his best in two fights. I've seen him agianst Mancini (6 rounds), Edwards (I was young though), and against Bazooka Limon when he cut his face up with excellent counter power shots. I've also been told that he put on a hell of a counter punching and power punching show against Alfredo Escalera. Remember, Arguello was at his best at 126-early 135.

I gave a shout out to Hagler because he was a damned good counter puncher in his heyday and not many people remember that. Many just remember the 85-87 worn out Hagler who brawled a lot more, but in his younger years he was a very complete fighter.

I can differentiate punches with B&W video pretty well, its not all that hard.

[mabfan#1]

BEST In My Eyes Or at Least In THe top 5 greatest counter-punchers would be Juan Manuel Marquez

[Parodius]

I would guess you just have a ****ty VCR and TV.

I've burnt alot of my stuff to disc and have a 64" TV.

I guess it comes down to how many fights you've seen of a certian fighter, and if you feel comfortable in saying that you saw a good account of that fighter; because I strongly disagree with your take about footage of Ray Robinson at middle. Alot of the rebrodcasted stuff I've captured is very good quality for that time, and easy to pick out combonations and quick punches.

If you call 50in plasma TV ****ty. Then I don't know what to say. It's big difference with old films, I can't make judgment with watching old films. Maybe you can, but I will never.

[Bozo_no no]

You really have no grounds to speak on Arguello then, because you just outed yourself and admitted to only seeing him when he was well past his best in two fights. I've seen him agianst Mancini (6 rounds), Edwards (I was young though), and against Bazooka Limon when he cut his face up with excellent counter power shots. I've also been told that he put on a hell of a counter punching and power punching show against Alfredo Escalera. Remember, Arguello was at his best at 126-early 135.

I gave a shout out to Hagler because he was a damned good counter puncher in his heyday and not many people remember that. Many just remember the 85-87 worn out Hagler who brawled a lot more, but in his younger years he was a very complete fighter.

I can differentiate punches with B&W video pretty well, its not all that hard.

I have a partial version of Arguello fighting Ruben Olivares, and he was a sharp counter puncher even at a young age. Olivares was well past his best, but it was an exciting fight, and Arguello showed flashes of the brilliance that would follow later in his career.

[Bozo_no no]

If you call 50in plasma TV ****ty. Then I don't know what to say. It's big difference with old films, I can make judgment with watching old films. Maybe you can, but I will never.

Well, I don't agree with you at all, and I'll leave it at that.

I'll even create a few gifs from some Robinson fights I have and upload them.

[Parodius]

You really have no grounds to speak on Arguello then, because you just outed yourself and admitted to only seeing him when he was well past his best in two fights. I've seen him agianst Mancini (6 rounds), Edwards (I was young though), and against Bazooka Limon when he cut his face up with excellent counter power shots. I've also been told that he put on a hell of a counter punching and power punching show against Alfredo Escalera. Remember, Arguello was at his best at 126-early 135.

I gave a shout out to Hagler because he was a damned good counter puncher in his heyday and not many people remember that. Many just remember the 85-87 worn out Hagler who brawled a lot more, but in his younger years he was a very complete fighter.

I can differentiate punches with B&W video pretty well, its not all that hard.

Actually not true, I've seen Arguello earlier fights, but I just mentioned you the best fight he was involved in. That was classic fight & it is one of the classic fights of all time. Boxing is my hobby, I box every week in the gym & I have a great collection of fights. I wouldn't make a BS statement if I don't know what I'm saying. You didn't put Mayweather in that list & you actually think Arguello at 126 or 130 was a better counter puncher then Mayweather.

[oldgringo]

I have a partial version of Arguello fighting Ruben Olivares, and he was a sharp counter puncher even at a young age. Olivares was well past his best, but it was an exciting fight, and Arguello showed flashes of the brilliance that would follow later in his career.

Wasn't that the fight where he busted up Ruben very early? Or maybe that was the first Escalera fight

I think it was probably Escalera I.

Hey how do you make gifs? I want a gif of Toney smoking Nunn with those two beautiful hooks in the 11th.

[oldgringo]

Actually not true, I've seen Arguello earlier fights, but I just mentioned you the best fight he was involved in. That was classic fight & it is one of the classic fights of all time. Boxing is my hobby, I box every week in the gym & I have a great collection of fights. I wouldn't make a BS statement if I don't know what I'm saying. You didn't put Mayweather in that list & you actually think Arguello at 126 or 130 was a better counter puncher then Mayweather.

Hey point out my post where I clearly say that I think Arguello is a better counter puncher than Mayweather. Wait thats right you can't because I never said it you clown.

Mayweather is a great counter puncher...excuse me if I didn't mention him before. Do I have to clear everything with you before I say it boss? Arguello proved his counter punching against legends, Mayweather has really yet to do so. Mayweathers speed is great on his counters, Arguello had much more power on his. Both guys were extremely accurate.

[Parodius]

Hey point out my post where I clearly say that I think Arguello is a better counter puncher than Mayweather. Wait thats right you can't because I never said it you clown.

Mayweather is a great counter puncher...excuse me if I didn't mention him before. Do I have to clear everything with you before I say it boss? Arguello proved his counter punching against legends, Mayweather has really yet to do so. Mayweathers speed is great on his counters, Arguello had much more power on his. Both guys were extremely accurate.

What the **** you start the name calling for. That shows you're little kid & a ******. You didn't put Mayweather in your list & you had Arguello in your top 3 or 4. I guess you're an idiot, I should've known from your Duran statements. Don't reply if you gonna say something ******, because you will lose. I gotta go & I don't wanna waste my time with a ******.