Bob Arum will be the reason May-Pac won't happen, he continues to make things worse..

[Ravishing]

Ravishing don't you think you are wrong from a business standpoint? Manny is a big draw we agree. But its not about raw numbers persay. its about measuring that drawing power. In that respect the clottey fight makes manny look weaker IMO because:

it was 500k less sales than his previous fight.
live gate was incredibly small given 51k fans
fight really ******.

To me this is like any other form of entertainment. If your album sells less than the previous one or your movie grosses less than the previous one it looks bad.

IMO that's not gonna make people point the finger at Pacquiao in the case where Floyd doesn't accept a 50/50. What people will say is, "Why isn't Floyd fighting him???? They're both making a killing!!"

Also, considering as of recent we seen 3 of the biggest NBA stars take significant pay cuts just to attempt to win a title, you better believe ESPN will make a mockery out of Pac vs Mayweather if it's over a purse split, which in the big scheme of things is really petty when looking at what both will be making after all is said and done.

[The Big Dunn]

your analogy about albums is laughable, you alone make or break an album. in boxing you have a dance partner. if you can start to see the difference in the popularity and fanbase of cotto and clottey then maybe you'll be enlightened. add to that how those fights were promoted differently. one w/ 24/7. one w/o.

we agree you just wont admit it. HBO IMO wouldn't invest in the 24/7 because it costs ta lot and a manny/clottey fight wouldn't bring in a return of the investmnent. Obviously a cotto/pac fight would.

My analogy is about the entertainment business which is what boxing has mainly become. I agree with your point about partners. But with floyd, JMM brought a much bigger fanbase than Mosley yet Mosley fight sold more. The bottom line in both businesses is sales and money generated.

[The Big Dunn]

IMO that's not gonna make people point the finger at Pacquiao in the case where Floyd doesn't accept a 50/50. What people will say is, "Why isn't Floyd fighting him???? They're both making a killing!!"

Also, considering as of recent we seen 3 of the biggest NBA stars take significant pay cuts just to attempt to win a title, you better believe ESPN will make a mockery out of Pac vs Mayweather if it's over a purse split, which in the big scheme of things is really petty when looking at what both will be making after all is said and done.

But that was the same strategy Bob hoped would work in January and fans didn't say that. Despite many experts fischer, bert sugar, dan rafael all blaming floyd.

I think the people at ESPN know what Bob is doing. Why is it that Bob is so concerned that floyd gets blamed for the fight not getting signed? he is still under the illusion that by weakening floyd he makes manny look better or stronger.

[Twako]

we agree you just wont admit it. HBO IMO wouldn't invest in the 24/7 because it costs ta lot and a manny/clottey fight wouldn't bring in a return of the investmnent. Obviously a cotto/pac fight would.

My analogy is about the entertainment business which is what boxing has mainly become. I agree with your point about partners. But with floyd, JMM brought a much bigger fanbase than Mosley yet Mosley fight sold more. The bottom line in both businesses is sales and money generated.

yes bottom line is both are businesses but you fail to see factors that would affect sales. if floyd fights clottey now or even before pac did, you think it'll generate more than may-mosley? or even floyd-jmm? you get the point now?

[Twako]

But that was the same strategy Bob hoped would work in January and fans didn't say that. Despite many experts fischer, bert sugar, dan rafael all blaming floyd.

I think the people at ESPN know what Bob is doing. Why is it that Bob is so concerned that floyd gets blamed for the fight not getting signed? he is still under the illusion that by weakening floyd he makes manny look better or stronger.

promoters promote their own fighters and have their best interests. previous fight talks had GBP favoring floyd and blaming or putting manny in a bad light even to the point of suspecting him of roids. did you say anything about it back then?

[The Big Dunn]

yes bottom line is both are businesses but you fail to see factors that would affect sales. if floyd fights clottey now or even before pac did, you think it'll generate more than may-mosley? or even floyd-jmm? you get the point now?

yes I do. And I don't know for sure how much it sells. Neither do you. Based only on the facts at hand, floyd clottey likely outsells manny clottey. Bob marketed only manny and the stadium. That was his choice and I think a mistake. You agree?

I think HBO would put on the 24/7 because floyd has proven to get big ratings. manny hasn't thats the difference IMO. But the point you seem to be missing, respectfully, is floyd and his camp aren't ****** enough to fight a clottey in that position. Don't risk your leverage by looking bad. Thats not manny's fault either.

Like I said to ravishing Bob's startegy is weaken floyd in the media and pac will look stronger. that is faling again as it did in january. Bob spent so much time dissing floyd's opponents then he fought and destroyed a guy manny's camp openly said they wouldn't fight.

[Ravishing]

But that was the same strategy Bob hoped would work in January and fans didn't say that. Despite many experts fischer, bert sugar, dan rafael all blaming floyd.

I think the people at ESPN know what Bob is doing. Why is it that Bob is so concerned that floyd gets blamed for the fight not getting signed? he is still under the illusion that by weakening floyd he makes manny look better or stronger.

ESPN as it is really can care less about Boxing let alone caring about Bob Arum's "agenda" to make Floyd look bad and Pacquiao look amazing. People know both Floyd and Pacquiao have big egos (which has made the fight that much harder to make), but when it's all said and done and the fight say isn't made, general fans by then will simply move on. Only hardcore fans debate about purse splits and what not. Besides, the NFL preseason is right around the corner.

[The Big Dunn]

promoters promote their own fighters and have their best interests. previous fight talks had GBP favoring floyd and blaming or putting manny in a bad light even to the point of suspecting him of roids. did you say anything about it back then?

Yes but I don't think that was GBP/aywether Promotions strategy. They let bob play his cards. Bob just made a tactical error IMO.

[The Big Dunn]

ESPN as it is really can care less about Boxing let alone caring about Bob Arum's "agenda" to make Floyd look bad and Pacquiao look amazing. People know both Floyd and Pacquiao have big egos (which has made the fight that much harder to make), but when it's all said and done and the fight say isn't made, general fans by then will simply move on. Only hardcore fans debate about purse splits and what not. Besides, the NFL preseason is right around the corner.

True. Go Cowboys and hope the fihg tis made!

[Twako]

yes I do. And I don't know for sure how much it sells. Neither do you. Based only on the facts at hand, floyd clottey likely outsells manny clottey. Bob marketed only manny and the stadium. That was his choice and I think a mistake. You agree?

I think HBO would put on the 24/7 because floyd has proven to get big ratings. manny hasn't thats the difference IMO. But the point you seem to be missing, respectfully, is floyd and his camp aren't ****** enough to fight a clottey in that position. Don't risk your leverage by looking bad. Thats not manny's fault either.

Like I said to ravishing Bob's startegy is weaken floyd in the media and pac will look stronger. that is faling again as it did in january. Bob spent so much time dissing floyd's opponents then he fought and destroyed a guy manny's camp openly said they wouldn't fight.

does this so called 'dissing' compares to the slander and defamation the mayweathers did to pac, who is a possible fight for floyd? laughable. i dont agree w/ bob all the time and may not agree w/ how he's trying to make this fight, but i can agree more w/ the one who's making efforts to make the fight happen, mind you, he's doing this w/ GBP, and not the other one who's been silent this whole time, same guy who puts one roadblock after another into making this fight.