Bob Arum will be the reason May-Pac won't happen, he continues to make things worse..

[madsweeney]

While there is bad blood between Arum and Floyd, I hardly think Arum would be the one to blame for this negotiation. You want to talk about making things worse lets see.

1. Floyd claims Pac is ordinary, one-dimensional.
2. Mayweather clan (starting with SR) claim Pac is using drugs.
3. Mayweather requires OST testing for Pac fight
4. Initial negotiations fall through from lack of agreement and time constraints.
5. Floyd increases his purse split (from 50/50 to 60/40)
6. Floyd drops his compromise on OST.
7. Mayweather camp has not responded to the media about current negotiations.


But I can see how Arum putting a deadline for ending negotiations (so they have ample time to train and promote the fight) is asking way too much.

Fact of the matter is Floyd is the most skilled boxer out there but for some reason he is hesitant to fight Pacquiao, a guy he would be favored against by the majority of the boxing community. Its time for Floyd to **** or get off the pot.

[Pretty Boy32 *]

because he wants to be apart of the biggest fight in boxing..... and he didnt agree at first.

Easy for PW and Serg to say when nobody has ever declined to fight them accusing them of PEDS.

So he didn't agree at first PICKED a fight with Clottey who the guy he just beat Cotto had beaten previously, does terrible PPV numbers, then changes his mind? lol

Bob Arum and Manny Pacquiao are not in the position to call any shots,
Mayweather has the better PPV history, Mayweather has higher PPV numbers in his last 6 fights than Manny does in his last 10!

Mayweather just destoryed the #1 WW in the divison, Pacquiao couldn't even KO someone who wouldn't punch?

Are you dumb or just extremely weak minded and biased??

[Pretty Boy32 *]

1. Floyd claims Pac is ordinary, one-dimensional.

Down to opinion can't see how that effects the fight?
Roach claimed Floyd legs where gone.......
If you wanna look at it like that then it works both ways.....

2. Mayweather clan (starting with SR) claim Pac is using drugs.

Team Pacquiao made them comments what they are now today, They refused to be tested, they are filing a court case.
Makes you think doesn't it? If your clean take the test and make 25million.

3. Mayweather requires OST testing for Pac fight

Tyson asked for OST with his fight against Holyfield, Holyfield had nothing to hide and took the tests?
Whats so bad about it? Its good for the sport. Mayweather is not the first to ask for it.

4. Initial negotiations fall through from lack of agreement and time constraints.

Obviously. Floyd agreed to 50/50 yet they refuse a random testing.
Floyd was more then generous enough to agree to 50/50 when even at that point he had to far more superior PPV history.
He also agreed to 10mill for every lb over weight in the weight in!
Which has NEVER been heard of before, Unlike the OST testing.

5. Floyd increases his purse split (from 50/50 to 60/40)

Of course he was right to, He just dominated the #1 WW in the world and his PPV numbers where a great success, Mannys fight Clottey was a flop, he is intitled to at least 55/45.

6. Floyd drops his compromise on OST.

What????

7. Mayweather camp has not responded to the media about current negotiations.

Of course they have not, because there was an agreement between GBP and Top Rank to not speak to the media, Bob Arum has not followed up on this,
by trying to put the fight in jeopardy.

[madsweeney]

So he didn't agree at first PICKED a fight with Clottey who the guy he just beat Cotto had beaten previously, does terrible PPV numbers, then changes his mind? lol

Bob Arum and Manny Pacquiao are not in the position to call any shots,
Mayweather has the better PPV history, Mayweather has higher PPV numbers in his last 6 fights than Manny does in his last 10!

Mayweather just destoryed the #1 WW in the divison, Pacquiao couldn't even KO someone who wouldn't punch?

Are you dumb or just extremely weak minded and biased??

Clottey was a decent tune-up for Mayweather. Defensive minded fighter, great left hook and strait right (two punches Mayweather will bring). and since when is 750K PPV buys for a non superfight horrible? You know how many other people do 700K buys against a nobody?

All you *****s seem to care about is PPV numbers and how much cash is in Floyds wallet. Are you his ***** or something? What kind of grown assed brags about another man's wallet? Talk about weak minded and biased.

[madsweeney]

Down to opinion can't see how that effects the fight?
Roach claimed Floyd legs where gone.......
If you wanna look at it like that then it works both ways.....



Team Pacquiao made them comments what they are now today, They refused to be tested, they are filing a court case.
Makes you think doesn't it? If your clean take the test and make 25million.



Tyson asked for OST with his fight against Holyfield, Holyfield had nothing to hide and took the tests?
Whats so bad about it? Its good for the sport. Mayweather is not the first to ask for it.



Obviously. Floyd agreed to 50/50 yet they refuse a random testing.
Floyd was more then generous enough to agree to 50/50 when even at that point he had to far more superior PPV history.
He also agreed to 10mill for every lb over weight in the weight in!
Which has NEVER been heard of before, Unlike the OST testing.



Of course he was right to, He just dominated the #1 WW in the world and his PPV numbers where a great success, Mannys fight Clottey was a flop, he is intitled to 50/50.



What????



Of course they have not, because there was an agreement between GBP and Top Rank to not speak to the media, Bob Arum has not followed up on this,
by trying to put the fight in jeopardy.

Floyd said Pac was no threat to him yet he thinks he's on roids. Funny huh?!?

Tyson asked for steroid tests (much like NSAC does today) there was no OST testing in the 90's. And besides, Tyson wasn't saying Holyfield was a one-dimensional ordinary fighter.

Rest of your arguments are just your bias. You guys seem to care more about Floyd gettin his $$ than the fight getting made. Just remember, no fight, no $$.

[Pretty Boy32 *]

Clottey was a decent tune-up for Mayweather. Defensive minded fighter, great left hook and strait right (two punches Mayweather will bring). and since when is 750K PPV buys for a non superfight horrible? You know how many other people do 700K buys against a nobody?

All you *****s seem to care about is PPV numbers and how much cash is in Floyds wallet. Are you his ***** or something? What kind of grown assed brags about another man's wallet? Talk about weak minded and biased.

Clottey was the best tune up for a fight out there with Mayweather,
but that means nothing at the negotiating table! Fact of it is PPV wise it was a flop, And Floyds fight with Mosley was a success therefore he is intitled to a bigger split!

I don't give a fuck about PPV numbers! But Mayweather does and the split will be a major part of this fight not getting done.

Are you ****** or something?

[Ravishing]

PPV wise, they do not deserve 50/50.

Bob Arum knows this and does not want the fight.

The split between both guys won't and shouldn't be so drastic that it would cause the break up of the fight again. It wasn't a problem before and if the fight is canceled this time around, don't expect people pointing the finger at Arum. It's not Arum alone who submitted a proposal, but also GBP (who promote Floyd).

If Floyd doesn't sign the contract, he's taking a big risk in having Pacquiao lose his next fight, thus killing his own mega fight in the process. But yet, this is all Bob Arum's fault?

[The Big Dunn]

Clottey was a decent tune-up for Mayweather. Defensive minded fighter, great left hook and strait right (two punches Mayweather will bring). and since when is 750K PPV buys for a non superfight horrible? You know how many other people do 700K buys against a nobody?

All you *****s seem to care about is PPV numbers and how much cash is in Floyds wallet. Are you his ***** or something? What kind of grown assed brags about another man's wallet? Talk about weak minded and biased.

700k isn't good when the fight before did 1.25 mil. Thats OVER 500k less. In terms of raw numbers 700k is great. In terms of business, it made manny's drawing power look weaker than floyd's. Factor in the live gate (much less with 3 x as many fans) Bob made a bad business decision plain and simple.

Why is it when floyd fans use facts like live gate and ppv sales to make points to prove manny fans wrong its right to the name calling and other BS?

[The Hammer]

The threadstarter is correct.

Bob Arum doesn't care what the fans want. He'll just keep putting Pacquiao in with other Top Rank fighters, so he's gets all the money and can be in complete control.

I don't think Cotto-Pacquiao II is an interesting fight. There's no need for a second fight because Pacquiao won the first decisively.

[Pretty Boy32 *]

The split between both guys won't and shouldn't be so drastic that it would cause the break up of the fight again. It wasn't a problem before and if the fight is canceled this time around, don't expect people pointing the finger at Arum. It's not Arum alone who submitted a proposal, but also GBP (who promote Floyd).

If Floyd doesn't sign the contract, he's taking a big risk in having Pacquiao lose his next fight, thus killing his own mega fight in the process. But yet, this is all Bob Arum's fault?

It wasn't a problem first time round because Pacqiuao Cotto did great numbers, Clottey was a flop going into negiotations each fighters last PPV numbers are going to be used as examples.
The fact is Mayweathers numbers where much better, and if they want to go back on previous PPV numbers which they may do again Mayweather has the better numbers!

You say this fight should not cease to happen because of PPV numbers? But the fact of the matter is, There are too many ego's involved.