Pacfans please make sense of this for me and explain

[makaveli87]

You're right about cotto. He said in a statement he had no problem making the weight and he didn't make excuses after the fight either. Cotto is very respectful to his opponent and gives them credit.

In bold: The heart of his argument is, USADA is simple better than standard testing. There are some substances standard testing cant pick up. Floyd is not confident in standard testing for this reason, especially since other athletes in the past managed to pass standard testing without being caught.

After all, the purpose of testing is to ensure that no fighter gains an unfair advantage. Everyone is on a level playing field. Floyd argues that better testing is needed for this principle to be put into practice.

Obviously there can be better testing methods. It is the caliber of opponent and media/fans demand of the fight that pushed Mayweather into a corner. He's happy making a fraction of the Paqciao purse(still alot of $) for the next few fights with easier opponents. If Paqciao wasn't a southpaw i'm sure the fight would have already been done or at least happening this Nov.

He's well aware his core fans make up a small percentage of his PPV buys. He knows he isn't the most popular but he makes the most money. Why? Because people want to see if he'll finally loose. So why risk his cache because of media/fans demands?

His demands are honorable though unorthodox. But his motivates lie else where.

[ballgamessuck]

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Let me get this straight...

If Cotto accepts dumb Manny demands and catchweights- Cotto is dumb and Manny is great.

Floyd makes demands and Manny does not accept- Floyd is scared, and Manny is great..lol WTF

SO Manny can make Demands as long as warriors are willing to accept them.

But if Floyd Makes demands and Manny(don't warrior up) Floyd is scared..lol

So it does not matter the demands? it matters who is making them? or who is accepting them(dummies not warriors)?

Please elaborate.

I cant remember now which poster wrote this. Please remind me if you know.

It is not uncommon for a fighter moving up in weight to request a catchweight, or a different weight for a rematch....such as this. In Floyd vs DLH the contracted weight was 154, that was a more natural weight for DLH and he did very well against Floyd. When it came time for a rematch, Floyds camp decided to drain DLH to 147. DID YOU HEAR THAT??? Floyd realized he could not scare DLH out of a rematch with his weight demands and retired instead, Paq stepped into the picture, fought DLH at the weight Floyd had requested, and beat DLH down. I guess what Im saying is that Cotto is no dumber for accepting Paq's demands than DLH is for accepting Floyds demands. As far as Paq not accepting Floyds demands, Floyds demand was bizarre. In 40 professional fights he had never been worried about OST's, now he sees someone that might whip him and comes up with an excuse that the other fighter hopefully wont agree to. After pounding another top welterwieght that Floyd wouldnt fight, Paq realized that Floyds testing demand was similar to Floyds weight demands for a DLH rematch, and since he really wants to fight Floyd, he accepted those demands. Now, of course, as anyone with any common sence expected, Floyd is not going to take the fight.

[Vadrigar.]

Obviously there can be better testing methods. It is the caliber of opponent and media/fans demand of the fight that pushed Mayweather into a corner. He's happy making a fraction of the Paqciao purse(still alot of $) for the next few fights with easier opponents. If Paqciao wasn't a southpaw i'm sure the fight would have already been done or at least happening this Nov.

He's well aware his core fans make up a small percentage of his PPV buys. He knows he isn't the most popular but he makes the most money. Why? Because people want to see if he'll finally loose. So why risk his cache because of media/fans demands?

His demands are honorable though unorthodox. But his motivates lie else where.

Yes, it's quite possible he's making the demands for other than the genuine reasons I stated. In other words, his motive lies elsewhere.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Good question...................

[Nuurzhaelan]

We already have idiots like Doug fischer who said Cotto is the dummy for accepting a catchweight, But if Cotto refuse to fight at a catchweight THAT same Doug fischer would come out and accuse Cotto of ducking "The smaller man" in Pacquiao..

I believe I commented on that as well. Cotto was in a lose/lose situation there. I have to give credit where it is due...Kadyo admitted that Cotto gave a good accounting of himself in their fight. Cotto was simply over matched. The catchweight did not help, nor did his noob trainer, but the trainer part is on Cotto.

I don't know if he would have won with Evangelista or Steward, or no catchweight, but he probably would not have caught as much of a beating and he would probably have been more competative. Still, lasting all those rounds with Pacquiao was no small feat.


Good post, D33p. It seems there is some hypocrisy going on here.

[Imhotep]

Actually, Manny has agreed to all the requirements of USADA.

Originally Posted by T.I. View Post
From Tygart (USADA):

Q: What about blood testing? Could I mask it then?

A: "For transfusions, the 14 days is not going to give you much concern. The evidence of the transfusion will stay in your system longer than the 14 days. But the human growth hormone, for sure not."



Q: One other thing I wanted to touch base with you on -- when the Mayweather-Pacquiao discussions finally fell apart at the beginning of the month, it came down to a 10-day differential; Mayweather bent to 'I'll agree to 14 days prior to the event when there will be no blood testing,' and Pacquiao wouldn't go later than 24 days. Even if Mayweather had yielded to 24 days, what can an athlete do in 24 days? I mean, if you're clean 24 days before the fight, what can you do in the next 24 days that would have any impact on the fight whatsoever?

A: "The human growth hormone for sure, levels of testosterone, and other designer steroids. Sounds like you've got some information -- I'm not agreeing factually that was the difference, and I'm not disagreeing. But if that's the case, the other piece is that, prior to that 14-day or 24-day blackout period, what system was in place? Were you just using the Nevada, or the state of California, system? If that's the case, I'm not worried about the 14-day or the 24-day blackout period, I'm worried about the rest of it. If someone's telling you that's where it fell apart, I think you've got to add the follow-up, 'Well, what kind of testing was going to happen before the 14-day or the 24-day blackout period?' The 14-day period, I'm a lot less concerned about that than what you're doing in the two months before that 14-day period."

http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...current_d.html

Have your read your own post?

Look at this quote from your post:


Q: What about blood testing? Could I mask it then?

A: "For transfusions, the 14 days is not going to give you much concern. The evidence of the transfusion will stay in your system longer than the 14 days. But the human growth hormone, for sure not."

[Imhotep]

And also you have to consider that Pacquiao has time to take something to hide his roids in 14 days.

[Imhotep]

Obviously there can be better testing methods. It is the caliber of opponent and media/fans demand of the fight that pushed Mayweather into a corner. He's happy making a fraction of the Paqciao purse(still alot of $) for the next few fights with easier opponents. If Paqciao wasn't a southpaw i'm sure the fight would have already been done or at least happening this Nov.

He's well aware his core fans make up a small percentage of his PPV buys. He knows he isn't the most popular but he makes the most money. Why? Because people want to see if he'll finally loose. So why risk his cache because of media/fans demands?

His demands are honorable though unorthodox. But his motivates lie else where.

Stop with the Bull****,Floyd fought three South paws.Why would he be scared of one with zero boxing skills like Pacquiao?

[Vadrigar.]

Good question...................

You're a Floyd fan, right?

[Zn1]

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I cant remember now which poster wrote this. Please remind me if you know.

I will red k you soon as i can.

Manny is great, and Mayweather is a piece of ****.