Name One Top Class Fighter Jones Ever Faced

[Neuraxis]

Chris Johnson and Montell Griffin wasn't in anyone's top 5.

Chris Johnson has NEVER been top 5 in any weight division. Neither has Lincoln Carter. Please name these five top five fighters. And whose top 5 are we talking about? The IBF's? I think they had me listed top 5 at super featherweight once.

Keep digging.

[tracylee]

Chris Johnson and Montell Griffin wasn't in anyone's top 5.

Chris Johnson has NEVER been top 5 in any weight division. Neither has Lincoln Carter. Please name these five top five fighters. And whose top 5 are we talking about? The IBF's? I think they had me listed top 5 at super featherweight once.

Why do I bother??? I said TOP 10...got it???

[Sweet Dick Willy]

I guess I'm still high. I could've sworn you said 5 top 5 fighters. I can't find the original post.

In that case, if you said top 10 you're almost right. Lincoln Carter however wasn't top 10. He was undefeated but had beat nobodies. Beating 4 or 5 top 10 light heavyweight however isn't like beating 4 or 5 top junior welterweights.

175 pound class is complete dirt. If I hit the exercise bike and lost a few pounds I could get down to 175 and beat half the guys there now.

[tracylee]

I guess I'm still high. I could've sworn you said 5 top 5 fighters. I can't find the original post.

In that case, if you said top 10 you're almost right. Lincoln Carter however wasn't top 10. He was undefeated but had beat nobodies. Beating 4 or 5 top 10 light heavyweight however isn't like beating 4 or 5 top junior welterweights.

175 pound class is complete dirt. If I hit the exercise bike and lost a few pounds I could get down to 175 and beat half the guys there now.

The original:
Exactly! Tarver beat 5 top 10 fighters before knocking out Jones.

And it wasnt a question of how much it was similar to beating 5 top 10 jr.welter wt.s anyway .

[Sweet Dick Willy]

I see

You were more right than wrong. I rescind as I come out of this fog of chronic smoke.

My point with the junior welters was simple. Beating 4 or 5 top 10 light heavies in and of itself is not a great accomplishment.

Max Kellerman gloats taht RJJ beat 7 top 10 light heavyweights and I say so what. Derrick Harmon was top 10 only because the rest of the lot was so bad. Not because he was so good. So what Taver did in beating those guys is nothing special. That's my only point there.

I concede. I'm not about fighting. I'm a lover.

[whdempsey]

My point with the junior welters was simple. Beating 4 or 5 top 10 light heavies in and of itself is not a great accomplishment.

Max Kellerman gloats taht RJJ beat 7 top 10 light heavyweights and I say so what. Derrick Harmon was top 10 only because the rest of the lot was so bad. Not because he was so good. So what Taver did in beating those guys is nothing special. That's my only point there.

I concede. I'm not about fighting. I'm a lover.

You may or may not be a lover, but you're certainly an idiot. You're going to sit there and tell me, and everyone else who reads these forums, that the entire light heavyweight class is garbage? Well, I'll tell you to go to hell, but first why don't you try going by boxrec.com and looking at the top ten light heavys.

You've got Paul Briggs, a tough Australian fighter who's scheduled to fight Tarver in December. He's got all the right qualities to make a decent titlist, and his trainer is Jeff Fenech. Now, he hasn't fought that many tough guys, so mebbe he won't pan out, but he looks good, man, I'm telling you.

You've got Glen Johnson, a guy with a ****ty looking record, and a lot more than meets the eye. Is he a pound for pounder? Hell no. Is he still tough as hell, and more determined than Roy Jones wanted him to be? Yes.

There's Dariusz Michalczewski, who may or may not be washed up yet, but has given Europeans years of entertaining fights against fair to decent competition. Now, I'm not saying he was gunning for the stars, and being a fan of RJ, I'll be the first to admit that he should have flown over here to get it on with the big man, but winning consistently over an extended period of time, even against B-level comp is hard as ****. Go ahead, question that statement, I ****in dare you.

Fabrice Tiozzo is a three time titlist whose only two losses came to Virgil Hill. He's a better than average boxer. Imagine he's at 130 or 147. He'd be right in the mix, wouldn't he?

Finally you've got Rico Hoye, whom I saw beat up Prince Badi Ajamu. He may have gotten a late start, but he's making up for lost time. Sure, his last fight was a little controversial, but for one thing a lot of great fighters have a controversial win or two on there records early in their careers, and for another he was taking on Montell Griffin, who generally beats guys, but only just. He tries to shade every round instead of dominating. I would not say his wins over JT were more controversial.

I know, I know, that's not ten names. There are a few dark horses in the top ten, and one or two who prolly shouldn't be there. But I'm not trying to say this is as deep as 140 or 135. I'm saying this weight class is not as bad as everyone says it is. It's average, maybe a little better.

Maybe this post is a little harsh. But ignorance bothers me. I don't really think you should go to hell. I think you should just try harder not to be wrong.

[Neuraxis]

You may or may not be a lover, but you're certainly an idiot. You're going to sit there and tell me, and everyone else who reads these forums, that the entire light heavyweight class is garbage? Well, I'll tell you to go to hell, but first why don't you try going by boxrec.com and looking at the top ten light heavys.

You've got Paul Briggs, a tough Australian fighter who's scheduled to fight Tarver in December. He's got all the right qualities to make a decent titlist, and his trainer is Jeff Fenech. Now, he hasn't fought that many tough guys, so mebbe he won't pan out, but he looks good, man, I'm telling you.

You've got Glen Johnson, a guy with a ****ty looking record, and a lot more than meets the eye. Is he a pound for pounder? Hell no. Is he still tough as hell, and more determined than Roy Jones wanted him to be? Yes.

There's Dariusz Michalczewski, who may or may not be washed up yet, but has given Europeans years of entertaining fights against fair to decent competition. Now, I'm not saying he was gunning for the stars, and being a fan of RJ, I'll be the first to admit that he should have flown over here to get it on with the big man, but winning consistently over an extended period of time, even against B-level comp is hard as ****. Go ahead, question that statement, I ****in dare you.

Fabrice Tiozzo is a three time titlist whose only two losses came to Virgil Hill. He's a better than average boxer. Imagine he's at 130 or 147. He'd be right in the mix, wouldn't he?

Finally you've got Rico Hoye, whom I saw beat up Prince Badi Ajamu. He may have gotten a late start, but he's making up for lost time. Sure, his last fight was a little controversial, but for one thing a lot of great fighters have a controversial win or two on there records early in their careers, and for another he was taking on Montell Griffin, who generally beats guys, but only just. He tries to shade every round instead of dominating. I would not say his wins over JT were more controversial.

I know, I know, that's not ten names. There are a few dark horses in the top ten, and one or two who prolly shouldn't be there. But I'm not trying to say this is as deep as 140 or 135. I'm saying this weight class is not as bad as everyone says it is. It's average, maybe a little better.

Maybe this post is a little harsh. But ignorance bothers me. I don't really think you should go to hell. I think you should just try harder not to be wrong.

What about Erdei, Ulrich, Gonzalez, and Green? And how was DM's level of competition B level?

[The Fix]

What about Erdei, Ulrich, Gonzalez, and Green? And how was DM's level of competition B level?

im sure you have said that roy jones has fought b-level fighters or something of that nature. dm has fought roy jones left-overs and vice versa. imo roy jones has fought a lot better comp than dm. whom does dm have meaningful wins over ( just curious)

[Neuraxis]

im sure you have said that roy jones has fought b-level fighters or something of that nature. dm has fought roy jones left-overs and vice versa. imo roy jones has fought a lot better comp than dm. whom does dm have meaningful wins over ( just curious)

Actually I've never said Jones fought B level fighters. I have said that he tended to shy away from the tougher fights, and I have said that I think that DM would have beaten Jones. For the sake of this argument I am going to ignore DM's last fight and RJJ's last 2 fights. DM and RJJ had many similar opponents and not counting RJJ second try at Griffin, DM finished all of them off sooner than RJJ did except Hill who DM beat before RJJ did. Thus winning the WBA and IBF belts and becoming the linear champ. The only good fighters that Jones beat that DM didn't face were an injured Harding, Tarver, a nearly 40 year old McCallum, and a heavyweight Ruiz if you want to count him because DM would never have been able to use his style at HW. The only good fighter that DM beat that Roy didn't face because he ducked him, Rocchigiani (counting Thazdi would just be a low blow to Toney fans). But Roy also ducked the fighter who Rocchigiani beat before DM beat him for the 2nd time in Michael Nunn.

[DamienFromTheAshes]

This topic is funny. Shows that the starter is clueless about boxing. This was a first. Who has Jones ever fought? LMAO. Whatever.

Who are all these guys Jones ducked? And don't even try saying DM. Jones had all the belts that matter, WBC, WBA, IBF. DM had the one WBO belt, which back then wasn't even considered anything. DM wasn't willing to come here. Since Jones had the real belts and was the real champ not only literally, but by every reputable boxing reporter in the world, it was not Jones that ducked DM.

Julio Gonzales beat DM. Jones easily beat Julio Gonzales BEFORE Julio beat DM. DM couldn't even beat Jones' leftovers successfully. And DM is younger than Jones.

And if anybody tries naming a heavyweight Jones ducked, you're a moron. Cause he didn't duck any heavyweights. And let's say he would have, so what? He was a light heavyweight. The fact that the public was clamoring for this guy to go to heavyweight shows his greatness.