How effective is taking HGH two weeks before a fight?

[Danny Gunz]

What makes the issue complicated is the fact that, while the physiological and pharmacokinetic properties of PEDs are well-known and widely-agreed upon, there are NO actual studies that determine their clinical efficacy in a particular sport, such as boxing. No self-respecting scientist or physician would be caught participating in such a study because of its moral implications.

Thus, just like in the study you cited, there is no actual empirical proof aside from well-reasoned-out conclusions. The problem is that other studies can reach different conclusions using the same set of data.

I though I found a few studies regarding HGH that seem legitimate, but this type of stuff is not my expertise more of just a hobby out of curiousity.

But like you said I have also found studies that have much different results.

[Pacquiao'd]

I dont get this ****.. why dont they test after the fight?

b/c fighters systems are clear by the end of the fight, if they are cycling the drugs right. does shane mosley ring a bell? goodness

[AFighter4U]

you keep talking about HGH. and HGH isnt whats in question. even Conte said that he'd suspect the usage of EPO and **** not HGH. b/c HGH wont benefit a fighter in the ring.

so why do you keep harping on HGH?

May i ask that you go back to the beginning of this thread and please read my original question? The explanation for my question is there as well. If, after reading, you still don't seem satisfied, then nothing else i say will be sufficient and let us end this as the two of us simply not being in the same page.

[AFighter4U]

As I mentioned earlier, there is no scientifically accurate answer to your question for the simple fact that there has never been a study conducted on it. It is much easier to just rely on anecdotal evidence and half-assed assumptions like the previous poster.

Actually, i'm quite satisfied with your answers. What i'm waiting for is evidence supporting the OTHER SIDE OF THE DEBATE, which that taking HGH within two weeks actually HAS BENEFITS.

So far, no one has stepped up the plate.

[RL_GMA]

That's for HGH only.

How about the other 100+ drugs on the banned list? You know, the drugs that a BUNCH of other athletes have been busted using?

How about those?

I mean, if we're gonna go that route, every athlete on Earth is under su****ion, and if you can give examples of those "bunch" that aren't named McGwire, Bonds, or Palmero, please do. The known substances that the general public know about are EPO, Anabolic steroids, and HGH for the most part. Many examples of how each of those drugs works and is detected seems to have been covered numerous times going beyond Boxing. But in terms of how it would effect a fighter in an actual match IMO seems more of a risk for the fighter using it as opposed to actually using the drugs to what many skeptics believe gives you the ability to inflict more punishment or to increase your stamina in a fight (which technically still has yet to be proven).

I believe in Pacquiao's situation, the skeptics (similar to Floyd's skeptics) will now forever link Pacquiao somehow to cheating like people saying Floyd is scared of this or that person, even when he proves the critics wrong. I guarantee if Pacquiao has to do blood testing in the Mayweather fight and he comes out clean, people will still find something to pin on him because some can't accept the fact that he's indeed just a naturally gifted fighter.

[AFighter4U]

Ten pages.

So far, there are plenty of posts showing the use of HGH within two weeks as either useless or counter-productive.

No one has given even ONE evidence showing benefits of using HGH for two weeks right before a fight.

[Pacquiao'd]

May i ask that you go back to the beginning of this thread and please read my original question? The explanation for my question is there as well. If, after reading, you still don't seem satisfied, then nothing else i say will be sufficient and let us end this as the two of us simply not being in the same page.

the OP was answered, then the root of what you are getting at was addressed.

so im going to say it one more time, i know its alittle hard for you but HGH is a non-issue being that it doesnt benefit fighters on fight night.

the things that does are PEDs that increase stamina and endurance aka BLOOD DOPING

so while you are trying to say "oh, whats the problem with having a 14 day cut off if HGH doesnt benefit a fighter on fight night?"

well, dumbass. b/c whats suspected to be in pacs system on fight night isnt HGH. its EPO and other PEDS used for BLOOD DOPING

get it now? i understand you are trying to be cleaver but we arent that slow

[AFighter4U]

So...

Nothing yet....

I'm going to bed right now and will be back in approximately 10 hours.

I hope the other side would have some valid arguments by then.

[empiricix]

im talking about EPO not HGH. i believe pac is on PEDs that enhance endurance and stamina. not promote muscle growth. keep up

Sorry for confusing you. The muscle-example was used to illustrate the weakness of your argument that what works well in other sports stands to work equally well in boxing.

Have you ever come across a study that empirically shows the level of improvement in endurance and stamina due to any PED? You can cite any sport, if you want.

[AFighter4U]

the OP was answered, then the root of what you are getting at was addressed.

so im going to say it one more time, i know its alittle hard for you but HGH is a non-issue being that it doesnt benefit fighters on fight night.

the things that does are PEDs that increase stamina and endurance aka BLOOD DOPING

so while you are trying to say "oh, whats the problem with having a 14 day cut off if HGH doesnt benefit a fighter on fight night?"

well, dumbass. b/c whats suspected to be in pacs system on fight night isnt HGH. its EPO and other PEDS used for BLOOD DOPING

get it now? i understand you are trying to be cleaver but we arent that slow

Well, you answered my question then. HGH has no benefits whatsoever. Case closed.

for the record, i NEVER asked the question, ""oh, whats the problem with having a 14 day cut off if HGH doesnt benefit a fighter on fight night?""

Also, i'm not trying to be clever here. I'm just asking a simple question and expect a simply answer.