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Haye won a trinket off of a guy who truly had no business owning the trinket. Valuev lost to Chagaev who got beat by Wlad. Not to mention the half dozen fights Valuev got a gift decision in. So Haye won the worst belt, off of a guy who in most fans minds didnt own it, and now he thinks hes the champion of something.... Hayes not the HW champ, hes the WBA HW champ. Its ranked at about the level as the NABO champ. So he can enjoy his trinket. Good job.
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You know and I know and he knows that he is no more the heavyweight champion of the world than I am. He owns a trinket, that's all. You'll be claiming that Vyacheslav Senchenko is the Welterweight champion of the world next!
When he moved up to Heavyweight, he said he had no interest in fighting the Valuevs of this world for trinkets. He was only interested in fighting the Klitschkos, so that he could be recognised as the world champion.
What fans?
There will be far less interest in that fight, if it ever happens, than there would have been if he hadn't turned down the Wlad fight this year. I watch nearly all the Klitschkos fights, so I'll watch it, but I'll be rooting for a Klitschko victory and the more brutal the knock-out better. A year ago I'd have been rooting for Haye, and would have given him a decent chance, although I'd have had him as the underdog. If the fight had been made this year I'd still have rooted for Haye, while giving him little chance (because his performances against Ruiz and Valuev were so disappointing, and because Wlad's performance against Chambers was so dominating). But if it doesn't happen this year, then if and when it ever happens, I'll be rooting for the Klitschkos and won't give Haye any chance at all.
Because his performances at Heavyweight have been very disappointing; and in the meantime, Wlad seems to be improving. And because he pretends that he wants to fight the Klitschkos but clearly doesn't, until he's cashed out to the max, which makes no financial sense unless he doesn't think he can beat them.
He has proved that he's a legit but mediocre heavyweight (if somewhat exciting against certain styles of opponent), who completely lacks self-confidence - whereas before, he had many people convinced that he had the potential to be an elite heavyweight and that he brimmed with self-confidence. Now everyone knows he's all mouth.
No one will care about Haye, they'll just be pleased to see him beaten. Mayweather had proved himself an all time great fighter long before his fought Mosley.Last edited by Dave Rado; 07-07-2010, 07:14 PM.Comment
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Well, I can see your point.
And if you are either a Klitschko fan, or a Haye hater.....
then that will be a bitter pill to swallow, but..... it is what it is.
BTW..... I am not defending Haye ?
I don't give a **** about Haye.
I'm just telling you how it is. What was inaccurate about what I posted ?
This whole "Haye is the devil" thing, is ridiculous.
Haye pissed a lottttttt of people off when he stormed over to Germany and pushed Vitali off his skateboard LMAO.Comment
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Hold on Dave, I have never insinuated that Haye was the best heavyweight in the world, or anything even close to that. Where did you get that from ?
Mayweather is the best fighter at 147, and he does not even hold a title.....
but Dave, Senchenko is the WBA welterweight world champion, FACT.
WELTERWEIGHT (147 Lbs / 66.68 Kgs)
World Champion:
VYACHESLAV SENCHENKO UKR
Won Title: 04-10-09
WHENEVER Senchenko is interviewed at home, HE IS introduced as the welterweight world champion, you can trust me on that one..... and you can also be sure that Haye is introduced as the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD when he is interviewed at home as well.
EXACTLY DAVE !!!!!!!!!
Please refer back to my 4-point timeline.....
I simply cannot understand people who do not realise that THE WHOLE SITUATION CHANGED, when K2 made Haye an insulting offer forcing him to switch his attention to golem. Well..... didn't that get K2's attention?
First they offer him a 3-fight rematch deal and half a tuna sandwich, now it sounds like they're ready to offer him the world.
Here is something that I know, that you do not know.....
Haye can collect..... ANYTIME HE WANTS.
THAT FIGHT WILL ALWAYS BE SITTING THERE.
And he will obviously take that ridiculous payday, when he is ready, you can bet your boots on that.
I am not gonna comment on your other points Dave..... they are mostly accurate and concise, as usual..... but they are mostly incidental theorising about things that are not relevant to the point in case.
I do not believe that there will be less interest in the fight, and I do not believe that Haye's confidence.....
a.) has been affected at all
b.) is even relevant to whether he will take that fkn HUGE payday from K2
Haye, and team, have recently commented on this issue..... and Haye has admitted that a Klitschko fight is A MUST if his career is to have any significance, AND he has publicly admitted that he is aware that his fan's want to see that fight as quickly as possible.
Quite simply..... the fight just hasn't happened yet. Just like Bradley/Alexander, just like Pac/May, just like ..... blah blah blah..... ALLLLLL of the other fight's that didn't get made before the average fan ran out of patience
As I said earlier, and I am sure that you knew this anyway..... I do not actually give a **** about Haye, and I do not get offended when folks call him Diva Gaye, or whatever..... It's funny as hell if you think about it.
I am more of a Klitschko fan than a Haye fan, and I don't get offended when folks refer to them as 'klits' either..... even though I no longer use that term
Personally, I'm just havin fun poking a few knee-jerk fan's in the eye with my chopstick.Comment
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You know, maybe I am kinda starting to see things from your point of view.....
..... maybe it would be fun to give ol' Haye a few kicks .....
..... hold on, lemme try it.....
Diva Gaye you *****, you are fulla ****, grow some balls and fight you clown.
..... hey, waddya know..... that was fun.....
..... and, I'm pretty good at it too for first time.....Comment
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Fixed it for you.
If the WBA want to pretend that they're offering the only alphabet title in town, then they are welcome to play their silly game. No one with any intelligence should take any notice of them, or of any patriotic media outlets that play the same game for nationalistic reasons.
By definition it is only possible for there to be a maximum of one world champion in any weight class at a given time. By definition.
Haye knows that. He has frequently said that the only world champion is the lineal champion. When he won the lineal Cruiserweight title from Mormek, he had a heated argument with an interviewer, because Haye was stating correctly that he and Hatton were Britain's only world champions at the time, and that belt holders such as Witter and Maccarinelli were just that - belt holders, and not world champions.
And the WBA is especially a joke, as their rankings are so pathetic. Most of their so-called champions are either in the bottom half of The Ring's top 10 (and boxrec's and espn's and boxingscene's, and every other credible independent rankings body's), or outside the top 10 altogether.Last edited by Dave Rado; 07-08-2010, 08:36 PM.Comment
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No way buddy.
I am not asking your opinion here, correct as it may be.
I am pointing out the title that the WBA bestowed upon Haye.....
WBA HEAVYWEIGHT (+200 lbs)
World Champion:
DAVID HAYE UK
Won Title: November 7, 2009
Who cares what the WBA think? I stopped debating who was the definitive sanctioning body nearly two decades ago, when I realised that doing so was nothing more than condoning a turd polishing contest.
No matter which ABC body you back, I will blow them to pieces, because they do not recognise other champions, and they do not enforce mandatories.
The ring used to be definitive, but no more, not since ranking Manny as the #1 WW, when he had never actually fought a welterweight at 147 before.
Come now, you dont need some stiff-neck to tell you who the man is at most given weights I have been deciding for myself for a loooong time now.
The two Klitschko brothers have been #1 and #2 for most of the past decade. But currently Wlad is the man, no doubt about that.
And I do not care what Haye says either.
Bull**** that the lineal champ is the best.
He can be the best, but is often not.
And I can provide manyyyyy examples to prove it.
The lineal champ is just the man who beat the man who beat the....., and is often subsequently over-rated. The lineal champ can be definitive, but either cleaning out a division or holding a lengthy title defence is almost always more definitive in my opinion.
No, they are ALL a joke. You cannot exclude the smallest turd, and then possibly suggest to me that one of the other turds is purty
BTW..... the WBA is the oldest, and traditionally the most respected..... of all of the turds
The point that I was trying to make is.....
At home Haye is treated better than the Queen of England herself, and when he is interviewed he is introduced at the Heavyweight World Champion. See here for proof..... but I warn you Dave, do not click one of these links unless you want to be sick
It's not pretty bro, but you will get my point.....
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They can treat Haye however they want over there.
As it stands, he's just a dude who talks a lot of **** and doesn't back it up.
He's poised to be a liar too, since he said a few weeks ago that there was no way he'd be facing Audley, and it looks like that exact fight will be lined up fairly shortly.Comment
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" They can treat Haye however they want over there "
Yep, they're crazy, they treat him like he's the heavyweight champ of the world or something
" As it stands, he's just a dude who talks a lot of **** and doesn't back it up "
Well, that's bull****.....
Haye is a " dude who talks a lot of **** and " hasn't backed it up yet.
Haye doesn't work for you, nor does he have to follow your time-table.
If Haye had listened to you..... he would probably have accepted that 3-fight rematch + half a tuna sandwich deal, which would have cost him millions..... just so that you could see that fight before bedtime.
" He's poised to be a liar too, since he said a few weeks ago that there was no way he'd be facing Audley "
True, I remember that.Comment
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