Whose legacy will be hurt more if THE FIGHT fails to push through? Pac or Floyd jr?

[Fighting Marine]

Mayweather, everyone knows he ducked a prime mosley, margo, cotto and more. adding pacman will just be the final straw, i would imagine his nuthuggers will even run out of excuses for him

Sorry I didn't read your post, I was distracted by Shakira's awesome 'dance' move.

But I'm sure your post was interesting.

[onechance87]

in the immediate aftermath? Mayweather. A decade from now when OST is the norm for championship fights.....Pac. Floyd's legacy will shine brighter over time.

I didnt see it that way,Good post bro.I can see people talking about
the fight that never happend.Fans are gonna ask why it didnt happen.
The answer-Manny refused blood test.In a steroids era.

[onechance87]

Mayweather, he's the one demanding Manny to do something he never asked anyone else to do before.

He asked shane to do it.

[Dynamite Kid]

Mayweather, he's the one demanding Manny to do something he never asked anyone else to do before.

Exactly, as much speculation as there might always be among Floyd fans about whether Pac did or did not take drugs, the claims are unfounded.

Jones/Holyfield/Toney actually were involved in drugs scandals yet people hardly talk about it.

[check hook]

Exactly, as much speculation as there might always be among Floyd fans about whether Pac did or did not take drugs, the claims are unfounded.

Jones/Holyfield/Toney actually were involved in drugs scandals yet people hardly talk about it.

The claims were unfounded initially.....given Manny's reaction to OST, are they really so unfounded now??

Additionally when someone throws a bunch of mud your way, some of it is inevitably going to stick. Manny hasn't shown any interest in washing it off thus far.

At the end of the day OST is really no big deal. If we put aside emotions and personal allegiances, and act as rational and objective adults, it truly is no big deal at all. Factor in that OST (or some form) is likely to be the norm a decade from now, with many many fighters going through the process it's natural that many fans (especially the casual fans) will ask the inevitable question of why Pacquaio kicked up such a fuss about this issue 10 years ago.

[Dynamite Kid]

The claims were unfounded initially.....given Manny's reaction to OST, are they really so unfounded now??

Additionally when someone throws a bunch of mud your way, some of it is inevitably going to stick. Manny hasn't shown any interest in washing it off thus far.

At the end of the day OST is really no big deal. If we put aside emotions and personal allegiances, and act as rational and objective adults, it truly is no big deal at all. Factor in that OST (or some form) is likely to be the norm a decade from now, with many many fighters going through the process it's natural that many fans (especially the casual fans) will ask the inevitable question of why Pacquaio kicked up such a fuss about this issue 10 years ago.

The claims were unfounded initially.

Like that means anything, they were all found guilty except for EH.

Yes they are, it could be as much about pride as anything else, how you gonna insult somebody by asking them to do something that insinuates they are dirty when you have no proof what so ever?

Its okay for Floyd and his fans to think that, Floyd has not had Pac indirectly accuse him!! of taking drugs. Also, knowing how big Mayweather's ego is i would not be surprised to of seen him do the same had he been accused.

[damned1974]

The way I see it,Floyd can still take decent fights....Manny only has a possible rematch with Cotto at a catchweight or an unlicensed Margarito....both do nil for his legacy.

Manny also has problems fighting people at their own weight, or if they are of a certain height....it gives him too many barriers.

[Williamb45]

I voted for floyd cuz pac is a 7 division champ and FOTD. I also believe that floyd will beat pac if they face each other and thus pacs legacy will take a greater hit than not fighting him. Pac has more to lose in this fight than floyd.

PS: i hope i didn't give the impression that i don't want this fight to happen as a fan of pac. I want it just as bad as the next guy (maybe even more).

[check hook]

I didnt see it that way,Good post bro.I can see people talking about
the fight that never happend.Fans are gonna ask why it didnt happen.
The answer-Manny refused blood test.In a steroids era.

There's other things to consider aswell. When the media hype subsides a bit and their careers are examined side by side i still think Mayweather takes it.

Consider not just who both men beat, but when they beat them, how they beat them and what those fighters achieved afterwards.

Two of their biggest wins (especially in terms of name recognition by most fans) in common are Hatton and ODLH. Floyd beat better versions of both years before Pac, in Hatton's case beating an undefeated fighter.

Manny beat Morales twice after losing the first fight. Morales had just been dominated by Raheem. He struggled to make weight in the MAnny rematch and additionally had a weight penalty applied. HE was still beating Pac early, until the fatigue kicked in. Who did Morales beat after losing to Raheem and then Pac?----> no one.
So really i don't think the EM wins are all that good considering he was basically shot.

Mayweather beat a rampaging Corrales in a dominant performance at 130.
Corrales went on to beat Castillo, Freitas and Casamayor (Casa at 130 pounds) after he lost to Mayweather. Before the loss he also had KO wins over some very decent 130 pounders in Manfredy, Jukko, Gainer and Garcia---> Mayweather already having beaten Manfredy and Jukko aswell, not to mention one of the other longest reigning 130 champs in Hernandez as a 21 year old--->all things considered he had a historically significant run at 130.

Pac get's full credit for beating Barrera who also had some decent wins after losing to Pac. He get's more credit because of the impressive run MAB put together beforehand, think Tapia, EM and Hamed. Note EM beat him a few years before that---> EM on the slide maybe?

Pac fought JMM in a war. He won one and drew the other. Many think he lost the rematch clearly if not both fights. Floyd dominated JMM in a shutout, albeit at a catchweight.

Mayweather moved up to 35 to face JLC. He beat Castillo twice, controversially the first time...but here's the real kicker.....like a true champ he rematched him immediately and left no doubt. It took Pac a few years toi give JMM a rematch and he did worse the second time.

Manny beat Cotto, Floyd beat SSM. Historically SSM name will shine brighter than Cotto's. Anyone care to argue that point??

Again the OST issue aside (which i think makes Pac look ad over time for sure), even from a career perspective Floyd's could outshine PAc's in the fullness of time. Floyd's PPV numbers also tell us he is very popular despite what some fans want to delude themselves into believing. People buy those PPV's because they are FMJ fans.....make no mistake he has many many fans who will all tell their kids FMJ was one of the greats.

At the end of the day Floyd's dominance has been questioned once. Only once and he offered an immediate rematch. Manny's has been questioned several times. He won and immediately lost belts to guys like Singsurat, waited eons to give JMM a rematch and still didn't do it convincingly, lost to EM etc etc.

[check hook]

The claims were unfounded initially.

Like that means anything, they were all found guilty except for EH.

Yes they are, it could be as much about pride as anything else, how you gonna insult somebody by asking them to do something that insinuates they are dirty when you have no proof what so ever?

Its okay for Floyd and his fans to think that, Floyd has not had Pac indirectly accuse him!! of taking drugs. Also, knowing how big Mayweather's ego is i would not be surprised to of seen him do the same had he been accused.

You're gettin emotional and missing the point.