why is mannys resume so overated and floyds so underated???

[empiricix]

manny cherry picked a cracked cotto, a recently ko'd hatton and a drained oscar. take those name out of the equation and there is bollocks left.

Are there still people like you who really believe in this crap?

Cherry-picked indicates a deliberate intent to go after less worthy opponents. In DLH's case, it was the smaller Pac who was cherry-picked by DLH as a fitting end to his career - a victory over the P4P #1 at the time. Hatton was already salivating over the prospect of facing the victor between the two even before the fight. With Pac's win over DLH, Hatton was next in line and no one else was even in contention. The clamor was for Pac-Hatton and no one else, so there was nothing to cherry-pick.

Critics will point out that, as per a statement attributed to Roach, Roach believed that Mosley was too good for Pac as his first fight at welterweight, even at the 143-lb catchweight that Shane was proposing. While this may constitute valid grounds for claiming that Pac and Roach cherry-picked Cotto over Mosley, Cotto did have a win against Mosley. Thus, either one would have been worthy opponents at the time. It is only in hindsight, after Pac destroyed Cotto, that he was criticized for not choosing Mosley.

[BoxingTech718]

not saying mannys is bad..but ..lets compare ill start

list their best wins

floyd
1-mosley
2-corrales
3-castillo
4-hernendez
5-hatton
6-oscar
7judah
8-jesus chavez
9-baldo
10-gatti


diehard manny fans list mannys best wins..please

Because people "Like" pac and people hate Mayweather. It's nothing but a popularity contest that's why I prefer clear unbiased rankings done by computer rather than decided by biased human beings. These so called experts are all flawed individuals who make judgments based on their personal feelings so how can any of that be objective? Beating names past their prime, off losses, or at catchweights is corny.

[SkillspayBills]

Are there still people like you who really believe in this crap?

Cherry-picked indicates a deliberate intent to go after less worthy opponents. In DLH's case, it was the smaller Pac who was cherry-picked by DLH as a fitting end to his career - a victory over the P4P #1 at the time. Hatton was already salivating over the prospect of facing the victor between the two even before the fight. With Pac's win over DLH, Hatton was next in line and no one else was even in contention. The clamor was for Pac-Hatton and no one else, so there was nothing to cherry-pick.

Critics will point out that, as per a statement attributed to Roach, Roach believed that Mosley was too good for Pac as his first fight at welterweight, even at the 143-lb catchweight that Shane was proposing. While this may constitute valid grounds for claiming that Pac and Roach cherry-picked Cotto over Mosley, Cotto did have a win against Mosley. Thus, either one would have been worthy opponents at the time. It is only in hindsight, after Pac destroyed Cotto, that he was criticized for not choosing Mosley.

Actually cherry-picked indicates picking a fighter who you know you can beat. Pac's last few opponents all fight his style. That is a fact. I wouldn't call it cherry picking though it's just how these things work out. I could easily disseminate all your arguments with counter arguments but that's so cyclical and people do this **** every damn day.

[BoxingTech718]

Actually cherry-picked indicates picking a fighter who you know you can beat. Pac's last few opponents all fight his style. That is a fact. I wouldn't call it cherry picking though it's just how these things work out. I could easily disseminate all your arguments with counter arguments but that's so cyclical and people do this **** every damn day.

Let's also not forget that triangle theories are ****.

[SkillspayBills]

Coz Floyd is an arrogant fighter and disrespects his opponents. If Floyd's personnality was like Shane Mosley, he'd make less money but get the credit he deserves. He'd have definitely got the "fighter of the decade" award and a place in the top 25 ATG.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. Thank you for being honest. Most of you peoples hatred for Floyd has NOTHING to do with boxing but female emotional issues with his attitude. You will never admit it but you know it's true, your hatred for him as a person leads to your daily, constant, mission, trying to discredit him as a fighter.

[BoxingTech718]

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. Thank you for being honest. Most of you peoples hatred for Floyd has NOTHING to do with boxing but female emotional issues with his attitude. You will never admit it but you know it's true, your hatred for him as a person leads to your daily, constant, mission, trying to discredit him as a fighter.

That's basically what I said in an earlier post.

[Dynamite Kid]

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. Thank you for being honest. Most of you peoples hatred for Floyd has NOTHING to do with boxing but female emotional issues with his attitude. You will never admit it but you know it's true, your hatred for him as a person leads to your daily, constant, mission, trying to discredit him as a fighter.

Thats pure BS, i do however love it when Floyd fans act like he has been wronged, like everyone else is irrational and he is the victim, it goes like this........

The Pac fight is a chance for him to eradicate all the ducking he has done, which does not sit right with me, not in a sport where styles often dictate the outcome of fights, you fight the best consistently in their prime you are eventually, in theory at least, going to come across a style that you did not anticipate would give you problems, which could conceivably lead to you losing the fight, if you dont lose and are able to overcome all that, then more power to you, shows how special you are, that you deserve mad props, thats how you really define who is great, by fighting the best consistently at their best, that is why Mayweather will always be considered a fraud in my eyes when compared to other great fighters.

[Tamis!]

Cmon guys say it!

B-A-L-D-O-M-I-R.

[qwerty07]

Actually cherry-picked indicates picking a fighter who you know you can beat. Pac's last few opponents all fight his style. That is a fact. I wouldn't call it cherry picking though it's just how these things work out. I could easily disseminate all your arguments with counter arguments but that's so cyclical and people do this **** every damn day.

Exactly. That Mayweather does.

[empiricix]

Just joined good to see people discussing the best fighters.

One thing I am having trouble understanding is the people's opinions towards Mosely. Floyd Mayweather beats Mosely and everyone criticizes him saying Mosely is too old. Yet I saw Freddy Roach on an interview and he said that Shane came to their gym twice trying to fight Manny and they turned him down twice. There was a dispute over the weight. Shane agreed to fight Manny at the same weight (147) that he fought Oscar but they still refused. And Roach in his own words said that Mosely was better than Oscar and they would not fight him at this weight.

Now this is not meant as an attack on Manny because I'm a fan of his. But I seriously doubt if Floyd's camp had done the same thing that people would be so understanding. People hate Floyd so much they'll criticize him even though he did something Manny's camp did not want to do and that is fight Sugar Shane Mosely.

I am curious to hear what people think of this.

Pac was already eyeing Cotto for his first fight at welterweight prior to Cotto's fight with Clottey. Shane was not even under consideration because of the following reasons:

1. It was Pac's first real fight at welterweight, and there were still questions about his ability to absorb the punch of true welterweights.

2. Shane had fought at higher weights and is a much bigger man relative to Cotto. Thus, Roach would have been unwise to select him for Pac's first fight at welter, given the uncertainty surrounding Pac's punch-resistance at that weight.

3. Most people at the time WANTED and DEMANDED Cotto for the fight, rather than Shane. In fact, many were deriding Shane for cherry-picking and "begging" for the match against the smaller man, even going as far as offering to fight at 140.

The scenario for Shane and Floyd was greatly different. While the possibility of a Pac-Shane fight was not even contemplated prior to the Pac-Cotto negotiations, the demand for Floyd-Shane had been brewing for almost 10 years, climaxing in Shane's public challenge to Floyd after the Marquez bout. Up until the start of 2010, Floyd had publicly and repeatedly stated that he will not fight Mosely. And he was rightfully criticized for that. It was only when Pac-Floyd failed and after the Haiti earthquake that Floyd was forced to face Mosley.