why joe calzaghe never came to america earlier

[jermainerambo]

I guess you have to re-assure yourself of what you believe. A career is not judged when its over simply by the names that are beaten. Not fighting fighters in their primes has everything to do with it

name the so called prime fighters joe calzaghe did not fight?.........

[THe TRiNiTY]

I like Joe Calzaghe, but this thread is ridiculous. He doesn't have a better resume than Bernard Hopkins and he definitely wouldn't have beaten the Roy Jones that beat James Toney.

With regards to the losses and wins, that's also a ****** argument. With the exception of a disqualification that he rapidly avenged, Roy Jones lost for the first time at the age of 35 or so. Around the same age that Calzaghe retired. Who's to say that Calzaghe wouldn't have suffered the exact same fate?

Hopkins lost in his debut which essentially means nothing in the long term and then to a relatively prime Roy Jones. After that, he went for VIRTUALLY the same amount of time as Joe Calzaghe did, beating anyone he faced. He has more fights and fought the tougher opponents.

This is a ridiculous thread because PRIME DOES MATTER. Once you exit your prime, you simply aren't the same fighter. It changes everything. Yes, Calzaghe gets the wins and that's good for him. But to say it's the same as beating a prime version of either fighter is simply uneducated and wrong.

Joe Calzaghe is/was a great fighter. Solid resume and will likely be a first ballot hall of famer. However, he falls short when compared to Hopkins in terms of resume and Jones in terms of skills during their prime.

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name the so called prime fighters joe calzaghe did not fight?.........

words aren't getting through to you so maybe this graph will help

[TOBYLEE1]

name the so called prime fighters joe calzaghe did not fight?.........

On the time frame and at the weight he was at Collins,
Ottke, Glenn Johnson. Most of his challenges were at a weight above him which he didnt take.

[jermainerambo]

On the time frame and at the weight he was at Collins,
Ottke, Glenn Johnson. Most of his challenges were at a weight above him which he didnt take.

name the so called fighters a weight above him which he didnt take?......

[BrotherDudeJack]

Windmill of Death....................fuck with it.


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[TOBYLEE1]

name the so called fighters a weight above him which he didnt take?......

At 160 the only one worth mentioning is a younger Hopkins. At 175 to name a few you had a prime Jones, Montel Griffin, Michaczewski, Tarver, Erdei, Virgil Hill, Henry Maske.

Unfortunately the most recognizable names at 168 were going up or not fighting any more when Joe started his move. Benn was done, Steve Collins didn't stick around long enough, McCallum had moved up but was at the end of his career, McCleallan was tragic.

I would like to see how Joe would had fared against these guys but the timing wasn't there and his division wasn't loaded as it used to be. He fougt the available competition but wasn't nearly as good.

His comming out party to the world was agaisnt Kessler, he adjusted like a master in that fight and took it over. Unfortunately his best match-ups and fights came at the end of his career and makes you wonder why he didn't match himself up against the top names earlier cause he had the stuff to beat anyone of them in their prime

[ZealousM15]

That's just the way the cookie crumbles!

[ZealousM15]

Don't be bitter, people!

[ZealousM15]

Even a stone has its purpose!