We put too much emphasis on win/loss records in boxing

[Yael The Great]

The 0 perseves dominance, but if the fighter is fighting good opponents he his 0 should be immortalized. Also Manny Pacquiao is extremely popular while having 3 losses, it is not that important.

[gqjohnb]

It emphasizes ducking and picking and choosing opponents carefully. If you like this new system, write HBO and tell them you love it.

Because they've created it.

Yeah this is an unfortunate consequence of the status quo as well. I honestly think the system works in many ways too though. Younger fighters have to earn their way to the top to fight the top guys. They don't just get shots because they've become the top contender by default. Some take advantage and shut out and avoid fighters because its a challenge but thats not always the case.

[Heeb]

I 100% agree. Records don't mean ****. I strongly believe that boxing would be in a better place right now if promoters didn't try to protect their fighter's 0s so much. There's some loss of interest in the sport when the 10-0 prospect is on tv and you know there's no shot in hell he is losing this fight.

[gqjohnb]

To your thread spray, the reason people love "0"'s is because they love to delude themselves.

Deep down they know the 0 is bull****, and they know the fighter they're watching is not as great as his 0 suggests, but they're so used to bull**** they've become dependent on it.

Like a heroin addict, the American public has been raised on bull****. If you suddenly took bull**** away from them, they would have violent withdrawals and probably die spiritually upon realizing everything they know is not only wrong, but false.

So rather than make that difficult realization, they continue to not only condone, praise and support bull****, but they also demand bigger, fouler, steamier bull**** from the bull**** purveyors all the time.

This is really how we've arrived at Floyd Mayweather. Or more accurately, the idea of "Floyd Mayweather".

I don't think its accurate to throw Mayweather into the list of undefeated fighters who are really not legit top talent. If you look closely you'll see that he has fought some of the top fighters in each division he's been in at that time save for the 140 lbs division. He has cleared out divisions and has fought and beat the champ in those division. I think its false to say floyd's career is fraudulent because he hasn't fought every contender in the WW division.

[Joeyzagz]

I was thinking about how fans perceive a fighter whether as P4P elite, contender, former great now past it ETC.....

Just look at Bernard Hopkins for example, I am not even really a fans but in his 5 losses all were pretty close and even 2 of those fight(Taylor) he could have won.

Many of them were so close that I estimate in 5 different fights he would have had to had won about 10-12 more rounds total to have a record of 56-0 today.

Just imagine if he did have a record like that today and he easily could have had it had things gone slightly different or he was a bit busier in some fights.

B-hop right now would be P4P #1 and rated as a top 10 ATG even though none of us have business making lists of that sort.

My point is even though it didn't happen that way, it easily could have and if it had, today he would still be the same fighter he is which is crafty fighter who is now on the downslide because of his age but it would be blasphemy if anyone said that on the sole basis that 56 would have tired and 56 would have failed.

What you left out in your OP is the EXTREME discipline it takes to go undefeated throughout your career. Joe looked like **** in some of the fights Ive seen,but no matter how he felt that day he never gave up!

I wont mention any names but there are a lot of quitters in this sport who are either too lazy or not disciplined enough to do the job they are paid to do.

[gqjohnb]

What you left out in your OP is the EXTREME discipline it takes to go undefeated throughout your career. Joe looked like **** in some of the fights Ive seen,but no matter how he felt that day he never gave up!

I wont mention any names but there are a lot of quitters in this sport who are either too lazy or not disciplined enough to do the job they are paid to do.

This is equally under appreciated TS especially when you've been at the forefront of boxing for most of your career.

[Spray_resistant]

What you left out in your OP is the EXTREME discipline it takes to go undefeated throughout your career. Joe looked like **** in some of the fights Ive seen,but no matter how he felt that day he never gave up!

I wont mention any names but there are a lot of quitters in this sport who are either too lazy or not disciplined enough to do the job they are paid to do.

You can be matched very carefully as to where someone with much more discipline and less talent or careful match making ends up with a lousy record.

[Spray_resistant]

To your thread spray, the reason people love "0"'s is because they love to delude themselves.

Deep down they know the 0 is bull****, and they know the fighter they're watching is not as great as his 0 suggests, but they're so used to bull**** they've become dependent on it.

Like a heroin addict, the American public has been raised on bull****. If you suddenly took bull**** away from them, they would have violent withdrawals and probably die spiritually upon realizing everything they know is not only wrong, but false.

So rather than make that difficult realization, they continue to not only condone, praise and support bull****, but they also demand bigger, fouler, steamier bull**** from the bull**** purveyors all the time since much like heroin, you develop a serious tolerance to bull**** after a while, so you always need bigger bull**** to be satisfied.

This is really how we've arrived at Floyd Mayweather. Or more accurately, the idea of "Floyd Mayweather".

This is interesting because without that 0 it seems like alot of his perceived greatness is gone according to his biggest supporters.

If they think he is great because of his skills and some of the good fighters he not just beat but dominated that is perfectly fine but if this greatness they perceive him as possessing depends largely on the 0........well it seems what we have is a failure to communicate because my ideal of greatness greatly varies from theirs.

[RimmyDelicious]

when it's all said and done, just like in every other sport, ranking athletes in alltime lists is simply a matter of opinion. And that is it.

[Boogie Nights]

agreed

and it not just close fight loses, but i mean any kind of decisive loss.

i think people like the idea of watching a fighter they think is invincible and once he loses they realize he's just another mortal and they drop him like a cheap whore to find another undefeated stud lol

same thing goes with belts. more belts in different weight classes, this belt that belts, undefeated record balh blah blah