Comments Thread For: Pacquiao-Cotto II Would Be at a Catch-Weight, Says Koncz

[Pocket Dogs!]

Catchweight? WTF is this shet?

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He f-uped his own weight. weigthing 146 fight night instead of 160 is no way Pacs fault.

Look at Marquez going up 11 pounds....he looked like crap

Walking weight and fighting weight is 2 different things. Pac weighted close to 147 while fighting as a junior lightweight

Pac is not naturally a WW, more like a LW and going up in weight by 19 pounds or 12 pounds will affect anyone negativly

yevskiy..... are you aware what you actually said here ?

If you believe that, then how can you blame Mayweather for requesting OST's.

[sigrab jr]

Yeah but he kicked the crap out of Cotto and a couple pounds wouldn't have mattered. Manny isn't forcing anyone to fight at a catchweight. They can simply say no, so don't blame him.

This is partially false braddman. The first time, Cotto refused to take the fight but was threatened to be stripped from the WBO. He was basically forced to do it. Either fight Pacquiao at 145 or get stripped. Cotto wanted it at 147, he was basically mugged by politics to give up his belt at 145. Arum threw Miguel Cotto under a bus. In the build up to the fight, Arum was just talking about Pacquiao-Mayweather..basically he wanted Cotto to lose all along. I think this happened because a comments thread for "Cotto exploring new promotional companies" including GBP. Maybe this is Arum's way of getting back at him for entertaining leaving Top Rank? He wants to milk him for the rest of his prime years with big fights where he has no chance of winning and making him give up his title in unfair weight catch weights.

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Yea gained speed and power in his first fight at WW

Great post

yevskiy.....
You made this comment less than 2 pages ago

" Pac is not naturally a WW, more like a LW and going up in weight by 19 pounds or 12 pounds will affect anyone negativly "

[Red_Menace]

So Cotto gets a win against Foreman, who can't punch at all, and now Cotto is an acceptable rematch? And at a catch-weight, again?

Arum is a smart dude. He knows how to build his fighters up and sell the **** out of them to the fans. One fight and he has everyone thinking Cotto is back and prime again.

if this fight were to happen, who'd be the next fighter he'd build up to sacrifice at the alter of Pac? Seems he's running out of guys. Margarito? That guy is a ****bag, and slow as a ****ing tortoise with primitive skills, tailor made for Pac. ****, maybe he'll fight John Duddy at middle-weight and everyone can be amazed at how many times he hits him.

[Russian Crushin]

yevskiy.....
You made this comment less than 2 pages ago

" Pac is not naturally a WW, more like a LW and going up in weight by 19 pounds or 12 pounds will affect anyone negativly "

Yea, he still comes in at the same weight he came in at LW, He doesnt have KO power like in lower divisions but speed is still there.

Point i was trying to make there is that it was his first fight at such a high weight and making him go to 154 to fight DLH when he has no idea how he will carry over to the higher weight divisions is not fair.

[Phenom]

I knew Arum would feed the winner of Foreman-cotto to Manny for a supposed 8th division title. but at a catchweight with a shot boxer? this would be the biggest ***** move of all time.

[pasawayako]

even though pac was already too small at 147 lbs, pac should not need to fight another catchweight at 154 lbs, if they think he can't compete on those weight he shouldn't fight then.....

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Catchweight? WTF is this shet?

Yep, that catch-weight **** again.....

It is a fkn joke that the P4P champ fights catch-weights.

The P4P principle relates to the Latin phrase, ceteris paribus..... "if all things were equal, who would win?"

It is borne of bar-room discussions, and ATG evaluations.

In boxing, the "equal"..... is weight.

But the P4P champ fights catch-weights?

The "Pound-For-Pound Champion", shouldn't quibble over a couple of pounds, especially if it causes their opponent to have to come down in weight.

Asking for a catch-weight is very close to saying "I am not good enough to beat you at the normal divisional limit".

Going up a division, and yet insisting that the other fighter come down in weight..... should not qualify you for P4P consideration. Don't get me wrong, Manny should probably be there anyway, just not for the Cotto fight

Manny is an awesome fighter, but I do not regard him as a 7-division champion. I regard him as a 6-division champion, that fought some catchweight bull**** to drain Cotto for that crappy diamond belt.

I am entitled to that opinion, and I justify it by these two facts.....
* the very next fight I watched Manny beat up Josh at 147
* I now read that Pac may fight at JMW

I love watching Manny, but I feel ripped off for buying both of those fights.

It's actually my fault entirely for buying the Cotto fight, I'll admit that..... I knew it was a catch-weight exhibition bout..... but as for the Clottey fight..... ..... I'd have rather paid to watch Manny work out, and got about the same value for money.

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Yea, he still comes in at the same weight he came in at LW, He doesnt have KO power like in lower divisions but speed is still there.

Point i was trying to make there is that it was his first fight at such a high weight and making him go to 154 to fight DLH when he has no idea how he will carry over to the higher weight divisions is not fair.

Aaah ok, I see what you mean.

Yea, going to 154 back then would have been no good for Manny, and Oscar was insane to drop down to 147 at his age. It was a silly exhibition match that back-fired on Oscar WTF was he thinking?