Can Roach and Ariza really change any boxer or...

[-Kev-]

Are they better managers than actual trainer/conditioning coaches and they pick the right fights to make their clients look like they went through a transformation?

Do they own like a Hyperbolic Time Chamber in the Wild Card Gym?(The fighter goes in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to train for what feels like one year for them but in reality they were just in there for 1 day..so they get 1 year of training, in 1 day)

Or can they really change any bum fighter and turn them in Top P4P material?

I'm not hating, what do you guys think of the Roach and Ariza duo? serious question guys.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Are they better managers than actual trainer/conditioning coaches and they pick the right fights to make their clients look like they went through a transformation?

Do they own like a Hyperbolic Time Chamber in the Wild Card Gym?(The fighter goes in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to train for what feels like one year for them but in reality they were just in there for 1 day..so they get 1 year of training, in 1 day)

Or can they really change any bum fighter and turn them in Top P4P material?

I'm not hating, what do you guys think of the Roach and Ariza duo? serious question guys.

at the bold.

How Chavez Jr. went from a flabby Jr MW to a cut up MW in a short period of time is beyond me. They must be that good I guess, I don't know.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

It is weird how guy known for having **** stamina shows up ripped and doesnt take one deep breath the whole fight.

Ether Roach and Ariza are that good or they are cheats.

[mathed]

I chose C because that seemed to be the most appropriate. I think that it is more a case that the guys choosing to train under Roach are guys that are champion material to begin with.

They have seen the success that Pac has had and that he achieved this through hard work and dedication under Roach's tutelage. Roach calls guys out when they don't step up to the plate such as Guillermo Rigondeaux, who is definitely a quality fighter but did not put in the work that Roach though he needed to so he was quietly moved out of the camp.

All these guys that Roach trains were champs before they trained under he and Ariza but just needed to be pushed to bring out their best. The best boxers recognize the best trainers and seek them out.

[mathed]

It is weird how guy known for having **** stamina shows up ripped and doesnt take one deep breath the whole fight.

Ether Roach and Ariza are that good or they are cheats.

That must be the answer.....................the easy answer that is.

[-Kev-]

I chose C because that seemed to be the most appropriate. I think that it is more a case that the guys choosing to train under Roach are guys that are champion material to begin with.

They have seen the success that Pac has had and that he achieved this through hard work and dedication under Roach's tutelage. Roach calls guys out when they don't step up to the plate such as Guillermo Rigondeaux, who is definitely a quality fighter but did not put in the work that Roach though he needed to so he was quietly moved out of the camp.

All these guys that Roach trains were champs before they trained under he and Ariza but just needed to be pushed to bring out their best. The best boxers recognize the best trainers and seek them out.

You make a good point. Sort of like a good basketball team that just needed a better coach to push them and lead them to the right direction. Boxers are in there by themselves fighting so people think that they have to do all the work if they want to be great, but even boxers need some one to lead them to the right direction.

[mathed]

You make a good point. Sort of like a good basketball team that just needed a better coach to push them and lead them to the right direction. Boxers are in there by themselves fighting so people think that they have to do all the work if they want to be great, but even boxers need some one to lead them to the right direction.

I mean, at what point are people going to accept that the combination may just work? It is one thing to say a fighter is cheater but I highly doubt that they are juicing up an entire team or fighters on some magical power juice to make them into champs. Especially when Vanes himself said he would take any kind of testing asked of him, Khan said the same too.

I just don't think Roach is going to train some random dude with little to no talent, he is only going to train elite level guys in the first place.

[SplitSecond]

dbz was the ****

i think it's roaches strategies and teaching the fighters to be thinking fighters

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

at the bold.

How Chavez Jr. went from a flabby Jr MW to a cut up MW in a short period of time is beyond me. They must be that good I guess, I don't know.

i already know where this lame veiled shot of steroid use is going.

so you dont think a professional fighter who started fighting in his teens & is in his early 20s can get a better physique in 2-3 months?

[Frank Ducketts]

at the bold.

How Chavez Jr. went from a flabby Jr MW to a cut up MW in a short period of time is beyond me. They must be that good I guess, I don't know.

lol.................