What will/should Manny and Freddie's strategy be for Mayweather?

[Prime 407]

going to try and flurry steal rounds. only chance he has.

He may actually do that.

Manny and Floyd are equal in terms of speed but Manny has busier in and out movement.

So... If I was to guess what the game plan would be:

- In and out movement, flurry for points (doesn't matter if too much lands as long as it looks good to the judges)

- Make Floyd "think" that the fight could be close on the cards and force him to adjust and become the chaser

- Floyd tends to become a "little" more hittable when on the offensive so there may be a chance for Pac to land something big there

Otherwise just continue to flurry and get out all night to win an SD

[Schmerzen]

there is no coach or game plan in the world that can help pacquiao beat floyd.
roach was also talking about game plans before the second marquez fight, it didnt help them really.
its easy to talk, but when u r in the same ring with a boxer like floyd, u have to be smart like him or u will lose.
we will see how smart pac is soon enough.

[chito]

Round 10...

He hurt Shane with a shot to the body. Try watching the fight before you comment on it.

Did you just say he can outbox Floyd? The hell..lmfao.

make a gif of it because i didn't see it.

[Vadrigar.]

make a gif of it because i didn't see it.

There is also one of mayweather Vs Baldomir which gives a good side by sde comparison. I have seen a poster attach both to his signature.

[trainhard_187]

Sure Floyd is a GREAT defensive fighter no doubt about that but he will eventually get hit...

I look at the fight like this, Pac has some intangibles to his advantage compared to Shane and Marquez..

Pac
1. Southpaw
2. Speed
3. Combinations
4. Power in both hands
5. Great foot work, faints, head movement
6. Aggressive
7. Stamina
8. Able to take a punch
9. Punches in angles (Hits you with punches you dont see)

These are all advantages that Pac has... Which I believe can cause problems to Floyd. Floyd will get hit and Pac will apply non stop aggression..

How does Floyd react when he realizes that Pac just keeps coming will full intensity..

The only way Floyd wins is by points.. Pot shot, move, pot shot move.. No other way..

[BoxingTech718]

I thought I responded to your last thread on this one?

Here it is again...


Cut and Paste from different Threads I have posted....Keys for this mythical fight.
This was a cut and paste on a thread about why "Pacquiao and Roach using unknown sparring partners and why"...this is relevant to how I see this mythical Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.....too much to retype thus the cut and paste.

I think that most people doesn't realize is that NO ONE can actually be like Mayweather but what Roach is doing (and he is doing just great) is to work with specific attributes and applying his strategy with "quick fisted fighters"...

I think that his ways of teaching is really conducive to the way Pacquiao works, his psyche, his body...and not only Pacquiao believes him, he adores him. Pacquiao is a tireless worker and competitor and Roach can see that in him.

Having said that, the contrasting styles between the Pacquiao and Mayweather really pose for the classical fighters and "how to beat" both. This would mark as something really substantial and to the degree or magnitude of what is at stake in this level of boxing is astounding and mostly intruiging.

I don't care much for the drama but for purely the technicalities of both fighters' approach and style: The Pugilist boxer in Mayweather and the Pugilist Slugger in Pacquiao.

I couldn't believe how Pacquiao transformed from a relatively tactical fighter from the outside and now into a full blown slugger with a twist. He isn't just a rock-em-sock-em robot but with a strategy.

Having said that, Mayweather would still pose great challenges....namely, his jabs, footwork, shoulder rolls, and great defensive skills all capped by his squirrel-like quickness and timing.

My take is how Pacquiao can:

• cut Mayweather off the jab
• counter jabs
• assault Mayweather with his quick footworks

And I think Pacquiao would have to:

• use the right hook AND left cross/hook a lot inorder to counter off the jab
• use footwork and cutting angles outside of Mayweather's left jab
• lateral movements and move to Mayweahter's right cross
• the KILLER LEFT (the cross, the hook and the new famed HOOKERCUT)
• use jabs more

I think those are the keys. While with Mayweather, I think he would look for:

• Catch Pacquiao flatfooted with a jab AND double jabs
• Right cross
• lateral movements mainly to his LEFT and Pacquiao's RIGHT side
• Jab and clinch
• Work him tirelessly from the outside
• lunging left hooks

Having said those, this would be a real megafight, but I am also reserving myself towards a disappointing fight should one of them could actually dominate this fight. It isn't far fetch.

Either fighter can in one fight.

Here's to a great fight and hopefully entertain us to no limit! I am a Pacquiao fan obviously but I am also a Mayweather fan in terms of technicalities. I love Ali's style, the jab and the cross, the footworks.

This was posted from another thread by me when asked "how can Pacquiao dominate Mayweather"....too much to retype thus I have to cut and paste.

If Pacquiao can cut off the ring effectively and much more if he timed his IN-AND-OUT efficiently....then he can dominate Floyd.

But that remains to be seen. As a fan of the JAB and shuffling a la' ALI in Floyd while also being a Pacquiao fan, this will be THE fight of the century.

I am thinking that Pacquiao would have to be in his absolute best with flawless footwork to get in and hit Floyd with great leverage. In that light I can see Pacquiao struggling.

Until Pacquiao lands and hurts Floyd that would or could entice Floyd into a brawl that would obviously give Pacquiao the nod of the fight.

But Pacquiao is deliciously savvy and on the roll. If he can do both his lateral "Triangular" footwork and outside of Floyd's jab AND outside Floyd's Right Cross....then Pacquiao would eat him alive.

But that remains to be seen. Mayweather's quick and darting jabs can also neutralize Pacquiao then clinching.



This was posted on a thread long ago by me...on the issue of "how can Floyd avoid or deter Pacquiao's RIGHT HOOK"....hard to retype all of these and relevant to this threa.

The key, I think for FLOYD is to:

• LEFT JAB as a quick counter while moving laterally to his left. Meaning to "counter" while connecting first.

• Shoulder Roll while leaning to his right as the opponent's RIGHT HOOK is about to land on his left

• Beat the opponent to the punch with his right cross

• Leaning back (upper body)

• Left Guard up (instead of low)

• Bob and Weave to the left and under the Right Hook a la' Pacquiao's Duck and Roll to Hatton's wide left hook or jab

• Beating his opponent's left hook with a sharp and snappy left hook (inside) or a left uppercut...

I just listed or rather exhausted the possibilities of what Floyd CAN do. But in most probability, his well-timed left jab is the most effective while using the footwork and lateral movements to get away from Pacquiao's counters. But if Floyd lands his jabs well, then he either just follow it up with a RIGHT CROSS or just double up on his jab.

Landing those would, in most cases, nullify anyone's RIGHT HOOK or anyone's attack. I said, in most cases....thus a variation of the Left Jab and it's timing/angles are the key for unpredictability.

I think this would be the most that Freddie Roach would study on how Floyd throws his jab. Freddie Roach is looking for habits and patterns, such as:

• Does Floyd do anything such as tapping his gloves before jabbing.

Obviously he doesn't but that is just an example. Most of the time, Floyd would throw his left jab from a stance where his left arm is low on his midsection level (or throw the lunging left hook) while the right arm is always on guard to deter any punches to Floyd's right side in conjunction with his left shoulder (see shoulder roll).

Floyd's footwork is empeccable. The timing of his jabs are such that upon landing the jab, he recoils very quickly with his feet already on a transition towards his lateral left, right or backwards.

Therefore I see Freddie Roach studying the head-on LEFT JAB counters with Pacquiao's right hook to the head or body, right upper cut....or the usual Left Cross to the head, Left hook, left uppercut or the left hookercut (see Cotto going down on the 3th round).

From my own humble observation, I can see Pacquiao going on the outside of Floyd's left foot on a 45 degree before even Floyd throws his jab. This is a typical FMA (Filipino Martial art - Kali/escrima/arnis which I am practicing) positioning inorder to cut the opponent with a left lead...

I can see possibilities of Pacquiao throwing the right hook to Floyd's left rib or left side of the face or even a right uppercut. Then of course, the usual bread and butter weapon, HIS LEFT CROSS or LEFT UPPERCUT or LEFT HOOK. (either to the face or body).

Timing is obviously a crucial issue and so is the footwork involved with it. That is why I know Freddie Roach is very much concerned about teaching Pacquiao the way to "cut" Floyd outside inorder to be the aggressor and putting Floyd on the utmost defensive.

I can also see lateral movement to the left (bob and weaving) Floyd's RIGHT CROSS, then going with Pacquiao's left hook to the body and going upstairs with the left hook.

Many possibilities...

I see this fight as a salivating feast for an armchair boxer in me...while being a practitioner or student of the FMA and JKD...

This is a great post. Thank you for typing a coherent post and not the usual "Pac will come with punches from all angles....." nonsense. Thank you !

[imscythe]

What I don't like about some of these Floyd posters is always bringing up the Marquez fight and comparing Marquez to Floyd. They're both counter punchers, that's correct, but Floyd is not as aggressive as Marquez.

And c'mon man Pac was too one dimensional in that fight. He was always relying on his left, was overly aggressive and when Marquez figured it out it became a close fight.

Now if we look at Pac during the Cotto match, he was aggressive yet controlled. I mean Pac doing a rope-a-dope and waited for his turn to counter. Pac has tremendously improved. I also saw an instance when Cotto tried to jab and Pac sidesteps and countered him with combos.

I think Pacquiao first has to break Floyd's defense (controlled aggression) and all it needs is just one good combo and I'm sure Floyd will gradually lose his slickness.

[Carpe Diem]

What I don't like about some of these Floyd posters is always bringing up the Marquez fight and comparing Marquez to Floyd. They're both counter punchers, that's correct, but Floyd is not as aggressive as Marquez.

And c'mon man Pac was too one dimensional in that fight. He was always relying on his left, was overly aggressive and when Marquez figured it out it became a close fight.

Now if we look at Pac during the Cotto match, he was aggressive yet controlled. I mean Pac doing a rope-a-dope and waited for his turn to counter. Pac has tremendously improved. I also saw an instance when Cotto tried to jab and Pac sidesteps and countered him with combos.

I think Pacquiao first has to break Floyd's defense (controlled aggression) and all it needs is just one good combo and I'm sure Floyd will gradually lose his slickness.

[Vadrigar.]

meaning of picture?

[RubenSonny]

What I don't like about some of these Floyd posters is always bringing up the Marquez fight and comparing Marquez to Floyd. They're both counter punchers, that's correct, but Floyd is not as aggressive as Marquez.

And c'mon man Pac was too one dimensional in that fight. He was always relying on his left, was overly aggressive and when Marquez figured it out it became a close fight.

Now if we look at Pac during the Cotto match, he was aggressive yet controlled. I mean Pac doing a rope-a-dope and waited for his turn to counter. Pac has tremendously improved. I also saw an instance when Cotto tried to jab and Pac sidesteps and countered him with combos.

I think Pacquiao first has to break Floyd's defense (controlled aggression) and all it needs is just one good combo and I'm sure Floyd will gradually lose his slickness.

dude i respect your opinion and everything but could you elaborate more?