What would happen in Wladimir Klitschko would face Ali's opponents NOWADAYS?

[Boss2k10]

You are on drugs, please mention the 26 losses. Use Wlad's current record to prove he would lose to them. Ali didnt even fight 35 fights against guys who could get licensed or would fight as a HW today. Also just look at the tap that knocked Liston out cold...Wlad's breath hits harder than that. So you cant even argue that Wlad would have lost to Liston cause we have the tape, we can see that his jab is faster and stronger than that punch. Youre a joke.

Ali would lose 25 times if he fought Wlad's schedule. Ray Austin would KO Ali in 2. Sorry, Ali got dropped by cruiser bums...no way could he take a Sanders punch.

So yes I will be waiting for you to explain 26 losses, like Id love hearing which of the Cruisers Ali beat were better than Byrd...none were.

Also, people talk about Lewis being old...how about Vitali having 12 days freaking notice...No one ever mentions that. In his first championship match he had 12 DAYS NOTICE. Pacroid needs to be so focused 3 weeks before a fight that he cant even have blood drawn, but Vitali shoudl be expected to fight his first heavyweight championship fight on less than 2 weeks notice? Complete freaking joke. Lewis was champ he was expecting a title defense he was spending the time and money to train for one, Vitali was training for an undercard matchup. Nowhere near the time, energy or money spent in preparation. If Vitali or Wlad picked some challenger on a 12 days notice and beat them, even if they won convincingly, people would cry foul. Lewis does it, gets his ass whooped and gets a lucky cut.

Ken Norton x3, Frazier x3, Listonx2, Spinks x2 Pattersonx2, Chuvalox2, Bugnerx2 Quarryx2, Holmes, Ellis, Shavers, Berbick Foreman, Wepner, Terell, Mathis, would all beat Wlad.

[GJC]

Wlad would crush both Ali and all of Ali's opponents if they were around today.

Alts are coming out of the woodwork, should have done a pool so we could see them all.

[TheMagicMan]

Ken Norton x3, Frazier x3, Listonx2, Spinks x2 Pattersonx2, Chuvalox2, Bugnerx2 Quarryx2, Holmes, Ellis, Shavers, Berbick Foreman, Wepner, Terell, Mathis, would all beat Wlad.

Can someone ban this tard? Wlad lose to wepner? Haha stfu. Troll ass *****. And how the **** wlad lose to Patterson? Live to hear that breakdown. Or an old 30 lbs overweight mathis who hadn't fought in 3 years coming off a loss who moved to super heavy after the fight? Seriously how's this **** not bannable?

[Boss2k10]

Can someone ban this tard? Wlad lose to wepner? Haha stfu. Troll ass *****. And how the **** wlad lose to Patterson? Live to hear that breakdown. Or an old 30 lbs overweight mathis who hadn't fought in 3 years coming off a loss who moved to super heavy after the fight? Seriously how's this **** not bannable?

[TheMagicMan]

What? no expert analysis. Youre dumb as ****. Seriously. Wlad lose to Wepner? That right htere is just troll bannable ****. Wepner was 35-14, never beat anyone of any note,and was knocked out by guys like 195 lbs 17-8 Jerry Judge. But Wlad wouldnt beat him? You are ****ing worthless. Judge beat the hell outta Wepner and then lost 7 of his next 12 fights and retired. But Wlad couldnt beat Wepner? Seriously you are ****ing ******ed.

[mushahadeen]

What? no expert analysis. Youre dumb as ****. Seriously. Wlad lose to Wepner?

Wepner UDs Wlad.

[Joeyzagz]

Hater's comment.

You couldnt rebut "Wlad's legs are NOT weak" so you resort to name calling. Maybe I shouldve used a different tall guy who falls a lot for my example....Is Michael Grant a better choice for you? Am I still a hater?

Thus it's not me whose arguments are too "dependent" on weight. It's the CLAYtons who refuse to accept that Ali was a pumped-up light-heavyweight. It's only CLAYtons who insist that "Ali is comparable to Klitschko" and thus have to argue "Oh, well, the weight, let's not talk about the weight".

Lets talk about weight then...

Vitali lost 50% of his fights against guys 220- lbs.
Ali won 100% of his fights against guys 220+ lbs

BYrd(210) and Vaughn(217) did not get Kd'd once by Vitali. Vit obviously has an easier time with fat guys(Kirk Johnson 263,Danny Willaims 270) than lighter ones. Prime 1966 Ali weighed somewhere between Vaughn and Byrd, so its not crazy to assume Ali would remain on his feet as well.

Look at both of the brother's resume's and you will see that they have a tougher out against the Byrds and Chambers types than the Austins, and Kirk Johnsons of the world. Weight matters but in the opposite direction when discussing Ali/ Klitschko.

[knn]

You couldnt rebut "Wlad's legs are NOT weak" so you resort to name calling.

OK, prove to me that Wlad's legs are weak because he is 6'6''. It's a nonsense statement like "Ali's chin is strong because he is 6'4''.

And you are a hater because the Sam Peter KDs had nothing to do with "weak legs".

Maybe I shouldve used a different tall guy who falls a lot for my example....Is Michael Grant a better choice for you? Am I still a hater?

What is this nonsense? Grant had 49 REAL HEAVYWEIGHT fights and has only lost 3x by KO, including Lennox Lewis. So on such weak data you base your "Tall makes wobbly" theory?

Vitali lost 50% of his fights against guys 220- lbs.
Ali won 100% of his fights against guys 220+ lbs

Yeah, nice try to use percentage when there are only 1 or 2 fights.

But hey, you are the same guy who proposed to exclude LOSSES from the KOratio:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...71#post8687771

BYrd(210) and Vaughn(217) did not get Kd'd once by Vitali. Vit obviously has an easier time with fat guys(Kirk Johnson 263,Danny Willaims 270) than lighter ones. Prime 1966 Ali weighed somewhere between Vaughn and Byrd, so its not crazy to assume Ali would remain on his feet as well.

First of: Yes, SUCH A REASONING I ACCEPT, however since you mention Byrd and Bean: If you want to conclude something from Bean, then conclude that Vitali would not KD Ali but win by KO nevertheless.

Having said that: After watching all of Vitali's fights I bascially accept the conclusion that Vitali is more limited than Wlad and has greater problems where Wlad has not.

Look at both of the brother's resume's and you will see that they have a tougher out against the Byrds and Chambers types than the Austins, and Kirk Johnsons of the world. Weight matters but in the opposite direction when discussing Ali/ Klitschko.

Wlad had problems with Byrd? Byrd looked like Humpty Dumpty after he met Wlad.

Eddie Chambers is a bad example because Eddie is extremely fast (much harder to hit than Ali) and moreover he got an extra breather (broken glove replacement) after which he was visibly refreshed. Didn't save him from one of the most vicious looking KOs ever.

[knn]

What rank is Tua now after beating 2 club fighters in 3 years?

When ranking you have to always exclude bums. That's why CLAYtons make the mistake of thinking that Cleveland Williams was any good: Because they don't exclude his bums fights. Once you exclude bums (those who lose 25%+ of their fights) the record gets so much clearer. It shows you that LaMar Clark was mainly a bum-beater as was Liston as was Eric Esch.

Muhammad Ali has a top resume as has Lennox Lewis and Wlad.

Highest ever weight looked lethargic don't think you'll find many supporters to say Lewis was peak but good luck

But there is no "Lethargy" on scorecards. It's completely irrelevant that Lennox didn't look like your fantasy fighter.

Where did I say that? Read carefully and you'll learn more

Yes, you said that indirectly. Because if you for example assume that Lennox was the best boxer ever lived, then losing against Lennox means only that you lost to the best boxer ever lived. You cannot conclude that Vitali or an era is bad.

Nope welcome to the world of boxing goodbye to boxingrec

Goodbye to the factual real world results? Yeah, CLAYtons would certainly like it that way.

[WladIsTheChamp]

When ranking you have to always exclude bums. That's why CLAYtons make the mistake of thinking that Cleveland Williams was any good: Because they don't exclude his bums fights. Once you exclude bums (those who lose 25%+ of their fights) the record gets so much clearer. It shows you that LaMar Clark was mainly a bum-beater as was Liston as was Eric Esch.

Muhammad Ali has a top resume as has Lennox Lewis and Wlad.


But there is no "Lethargy" on scorecards. It's completely irrelevant that Lennox didn't look like your fantasy fighter.


Yes, you said that indirectly. Because if you for example assume that Lennox was the best boxer ever lived, then losing against Lennox means only that you lost to the best boxer ever lived. You cannot conclude that Vitali or an era is bad.


Goodbye to the factual real world results? Yeah, CLAYtons would certainly like it that way.

You are fighting a good fight, using logic and stats, the CLAYtons just come back with "Sultan and Chagaev can't fight, I don't care that Chagaev beat 3-time olympic gold medalist Cuban legend Felix Savon, he can't fight..." Yeah, ok...