What would happen in Wladimir Klitschko would face Ali's opponents NOWADAYS?

[knn]

Wladimir is tall/lean, but it comes at the cost of having weak legs, which caused him to fall 3 times against Peter.

Hater's comment.

Vitali is tall/strong, but it comes at the cost of being highly prone to injury

You seem to know a lot about tall men. Are you a doctor in the Valuev clinic?

The major problem with knn's argument is that it is far too dependent on weight

It's exactly opposite: Boxing _IS_ divided into WEIGHTs. It's weight divisions for a reason.

Thus it's not me whose arguments are too "dependent" on weight. It's the CLAYtons who refuse to accept that Ali was a pumped-up light-heavyweight. It's only CLAYtons who insist that "Ali is comparable to Klitschko" and thus have to argue "Oh, well, the weight, let's not talk about the weight".

Most see Mccline's legal obesity as a hindrance, not an advantage over fighters of yester year. With 10 losses and a KO ratio close to 50%, I dont see how his superior weight has helped him at all.

Again you single out fighters. And again you actually prove the opposite: You have a limited featherfisted fighter (McCline) AND YET he has a somewhat good record of 39-10. Thus again you actually prove that weight _DOES_ help.

[knn]

Wladimir goes undefeated.

71 posts and rep power 4? Is it an advantage to have a descriptive username?

[Boss2k10]

Wlad would be a journeyman in Alis era.

Wlad would have a record of 35-26 if he was to through Alis resume.

Ali would go through Wlads record undefeated.

[Joeyzagz]

Adamek is building his heavyweight way up. No better way than by beating _former_ big names. Just like Larry Holmes beating Ali. Or like Tyson beating Holmes. Or do you claim that Holmes was crap?

Did you really compare Michael Grant to Ali, and Holmes? Holmes was never destroyed in 2 rounds of any fight in his life, not even close, same for Ali. Grant aint an ATG either. What Adamek is doing is pathetic and it would be the equivalent of Evander facing Jerry Quarry and Shavers in 1990 instead of prime Buster Douglas and Larry Holmes.

But how does being a failed football player show that you are bad boxer? How does a failed actor show that he is a bad president?

Its not about that, its about starting early and making Boxing your top priority. At age 10 the big kids are pointed to the direction of a field or hardwood court instead of a ring.

Lamon Brewster was trash from the previous era? Chris Byrd was trash from the previous era? Don't invent stuff. Moreover both guys were beaten by Wladimir Klitschko, about whom this thread is.

I said all of his LOSSES came from the trash of the previous era. You failed to mention the 37 year old golfer, and the other bum who smoked him. Maybe americans should recruit failed golfers instead of failed footballers?

Pure speculation that it was Lewis' worst and Vitali's best.

Its a fact that humans lose athleticism the older they get, how can you call that pure speculation? Lennox is not Foreman, and his quickness is a large part of his game, moreso than other Big guys. And Vitali fought the slowest version of Lennox there was! He also fought:

the oldest version of Lennox ( 37 years 292 days)
the fattest version of Lennox 257 lbs, 10 over his prime weight.
the most inactive version of Lennox (1 year layoff of total inactivity.)

By the same token, Vitali was a lot younger, faster, and stronger in 2003 than he is right now. A declining Lennox overcame a peaking Klitschko, Where am I off base here? This current era is closer to pure garbage than my statement is to pure speculation

[GJC]

You have no proof that this era is poor. This "broken record" gets lame.

What rank is Tua now after beating 2 club fighters in 3 years?

[*]Statement without proof: "Vitali is better than Wlad"

My opinion doesn't need proof but he beat Purrity and Sanders so.....

[*] Statement without proof: "Awful version if Lennox"

Highest ever weight looked lethargic don't think you'll find many supporters to say Lewis was peak but good luck

[*]Side-thought without proof: "Lennox is less than elite fighters in previous eras"

Where did I say that? Read carefully and you'll learn more

[*] Telling a half-truth: "Vitali lost" (although you were the one who accuses me that record don't tell the whole story).

OK Vitali came second if you prefer.

[*]Conclusion based on doubtful statements: "Wlad has maybe a chance against non-elite heavies).

I'll add to it if you like, if it isn't a weighing competition

Welcome to the world of CLAYtonism.

Nope welcome to the world of boxing goodbye to boxingrec

[them_apples]

What rank is Tua now after beating 2 club fighters in 3 years?





My opinion doesn't need proof but he beat Purrity and Sanders so.....

Highest ever weight looked lethargic don't think you'll find many supporters to say Lewis was peak but good luck

Where did I say that? Read carefully and you'll learn more

OK Vitali came second if you prefer.

I'll add to it if you like, if it isn't a weighing competition


Nope welcome to the world of boxing goodbye to boxingrec

devastating ownage

didn't a washed up Holyfield just get robbed from a HW title not too long ago as well?

[GJC]

I thought I am Tunney? Oh wait, wasn't I frankenfrank?

Long periods without posting green bar which certainly hasn't been earn't by your posts......

That is also a problems with Ali-fans. They think that boxing should look like in the 70ies. And then they use this "Ali blueprint" to compare it to modern heavies. And then their conclusion is that "they can see it with their own eyes that modern heavies suck" because they "don't fight like Ali's opponents".

No boxing moves on but if you knew a little about boxing you would know that Wlad's style is rooted in the pre war if anything.

I agree here, leave amateur records and Olympic records out of the pro boxing records.

Also means we can skim over Vitali's steroid abuse

Of course not. But 50 to 80 fights are VERY representative. You cannot argue against so many fights.

Ever heard the phrase lies, damn lies and statistics?

How convenient to erase 3 losses off Ali's record. Any more excuses?

Sorry I have to use a man beginning to suffer from the effects of Parkinsons, ok Ali was tip top prime against Holmes hence he lasted until the 10th round which is longer than either of the brothers would last IMO

I never saw "Halloween'ishness" on scorecards. It's irrelevant how freakish Liston looked like. What counts is his performance/record at the end of the day. Actually looking NOT frightening and then winning shows more skills than "winning by looking frightening"

ok lets go to the facts Liston has a 3 inch reach advantage on Wlad is as quick and has a better jab. Wlad doesn't seem to like getting hurt as his recent cautious style shows how do you see this one going?

[TheMagicMan]

Wlad would be a journeyman in Alis era.

Wlad would have a record of 35-26 if he was to through Alis resume.

Ali would go through Wlads record undefeated.

You are on drugs, please mention the 26 losses. Use Wlad's current record to prove he would lose to them. Ali didnt even fight 35 fights against guys who could get licensed or would fight as a HW today. Also just look at the tap that knocked Liston out cold...Wlad's breath hits harder than that. So you cant even argue that Wlad would have lost to Liston cause we have the tape, we can see that his jab is faster and stronger than that punch. Youre a joke.

Ali would lose 25 times if he fought Wlad's schedule. Ray Austin would KO Ali in 2. Sorry, Ali got dropped by cruiser bums...no way could he take a Sanders punch.

So yes I will be waiting for you to explain 26 losses, like Id love hearing which of the Cruisers Ali beat were better than Byrd...none were.

Also, people talk about Lewis being old...how about Vitali having 12 days freaking notice...No one ever mentions that. In his first championship match he had 12 DAYS NOTICE. Pacroid needs to be so focused 3 weeks before a fight that he cant even have blood drawn, but Vitali shoudl be expected to fight his first heavyweight championship fight on less than 2 weeks notice? Complete freaking joke. Lewis was champ he was expecting a title defense he was spending the time and money to train for one, Vitali was training for an undercard matchup. Nowhere near the time, energy or money spent in preparation. If Vitali or Wlad picked some challenger on a 12 days notice and beat them, even if they won convincingly, people would cry foul. Lewis does it, gets his ass whooped and gets a lucky cut.

[GJC]

Ali would lose 25 times if he fought Wlad's schedule. Ray Austin would KO Ali in 2. Sorry, Ali got dropped by cruiser bums...no way could he take a Sanders punch.
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Also, people talk about Lewis being old...how about Vitali having 12 days freaking notice...No one ever mentions that. In his first championship match he had 12 DAYS NOTICE. Pacroid needs to be so focused 3 weeks before a fight that he cant even have blood drawn, but Vitali shoudl be expected to fight his first heavyweight championship fight on less than 2 weeks notice? Complete freaking joke. Lewis was champ he was expecting a title defense he was spending the time and money to train for one, Vitali was training for an undercard matchup. Nowhere near the time, energy or money spent in preparation. If Vitali or Wlad picked some challenger on a 12 days notice and beat them, even if they won convincingly, people would cry foul. Lewis does it, gets his ass whooped and gets a lucky cut.

So Vitali wasn't already in training for another fight?

[Slowmotion426]

Wlad would crush both Ali and all of Ali's opponents if they were around today.