whast with the Ali downgrading threads?

[Mick Hucknall]

Well if his eye were practically shut he would not be able to see Ali's shot which would lead to unecessary punishment.

[The Troll]

why take away from a fighter is his opponent is the one who quit? especially if his opponent is supposed to be the big bad monster who could walk through anything...

why take away from Ali when his opponent lays down? Ali went in the ring, did what he had to do...was embarassing Liston again...

Ali lost to Norton, but also beat Norton twice...Ali lost to Frazier, but also beat Frazier twice...regardless of what people thought about the Norton fights...Ali is the recorded winner twice...

how can people take away from Ali that he beat Foreman because Foreman burnt himself out...Foreman didn't just burn himself out, Ali helped him...Ali did something great that night...

Foreman was the most important fight of his career...

every great fighter has several big fights, a few great wins, and one or two defining wins...

That is one of the main things I notice about Ali in all his fights, not just the Foreman fight. It seems that in almost every single fight he makes his opponent work so much harder to land and expend so much energy to land than Ali does himself. If you notice basically every one of his fights seem to follow that pattern except maybe in his early career in the mid 60's when he sometimes danced alot.

[The Troll]

Well if his eye were practically shut he would not be able to see Ali's shot which would lead to unecessary punishment.

But his eye was not even close to being practically shut, neither of them were. They Phillipino doctor or whatever commisions doctor stopped the fight on that condition no less though.

[riz]

Well to be fair we can take a little away from him. He lost to both Norton and Frazier. Liston quit in the first fight from an injured shoulder and layed down in the second fight. All of which add to my assertion that the Foreman win was by the far the most important of his career. Ali was promoted by Don King in the 70's and he ducked a Foreman rematch like the plaugue.

Ali said after the 3rd Frazier fight he wanted to rematch Foreman and then retire. I wish he would have done that. He would have lost in the rematch and the torch would have been properly passed to Foreman, but it was never to be probably because of Don King or some other issue. Also if he would have followed that plan, fought Foreman and retired he might not have gotten such bad brain damage if he quit in late 75 or 76 instead of 81. We also would have never had to see Ali loose to that ****** Leon Spinks in 78.

im sorry did u say foreman would beat ali in the rematch. didn't ppl say that foreman would hammer him
foreman said himself
"you kno after u lose to sum1 u say, ' i wana get back at him, i want a rematch'. after i lost to him, i said 'there no way im getting back in the ring with him."

foreman would've got smashed and every1 here knows it.
ppl say **** about ali, well they must be dumb. theres a reason hes known as the greatest

[riz]

o ye and how come frazier didn't ask for the 4th match lol. ali did what he had to do. if sum1 quit, if doctor stopped it, w/e, not his fault. he went and he did what he had to do. he was going to win anyways

[Bombardier]

One thing everyone seems to be forgetting is that Ali was forced to take a 3-year layoff in the prime years of his career (ages 25-28) in which he rotted in prison. So the fact that he could come back from that and win anything is remarkable. People make too much of his losses that came right after this time off as well as the ones he got when he was older.

Fact it that by the time he was 25 he had arguably done more than any other heavyweight of that age in history. Add too that post-prison wins against the likes of Foreman and Frazier and the argument about his greatness is over.