whast with the Ali downgrading threads?

[AintGottaClue]

seriously all of a sudden there r 4-5-6 threads rippign Ali, usually made by idiots by why now all of a sudden?

[enadeus]

Thing with Ali is that any fighter of the past would have a hard time with the fighters of the present. The technology is just not the same. There are many more supplements, and much more money in boxing. The workout machines have also drastically improved.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Obviously you would have to assume Ali's has those advantages too if you are to put him in fantasy fights with current fighters. Supplements don't add skill though...

Ali looked very unimpressive vs Doug Jones, Norton, and Foreman. Who ever said he was unbeatable? Even the G.O.A.T. was beatable. Who cares?

[MADD DEISEL]

ali

Ali Was Impressve In The Foreman Fight Are You Kidding Me ? He Was Sharp. And Supplements,workout Machines Etc Have Nothing To Do With Boxing.

[Parodius]

Anyone thinks that fighters of today would've beaten Ali, then they must be on drugs or they're bunch of idiots that don't crap about boxing.

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Foreman said that he hit Ali with hardest punches he ever hit a fighter with in his career. Ali took them and was the only guy to stop Big George, not even the "new" generation was able to even come close to stopping Foreman.

[TyrantT316]

back to the original question...

ESPN Classic is having I guess you could call a marathon of "The Greatest" Muhammad Ali. What Ali has done in and out of Boxing has been great. His wars, his opponents, and the way he has won fights. Also his personality and talent.

The thing is that watching Ali NOW after being spoiled by guys like Jones Jr, Mayweather, Pacman, Morales, Gatti, etc...Ali doesn't LOOK all of that impressive. The thing is that a lot of the fights ESPN is showing are his 15 round beatdowns of Chuvalo, Bonavena, and others of the like...those fights, he dominated clearly...but it wasn't like he looked spectacular...he didn't put on Floyd/Gatti like performances...throughout the fight...watching TODAY...he looks a little sloppy, lull, a bit slow, etc...

but as I posted somewhere else, I think Ali would perform at or "slightly" above the level of his opponent...when he fought the B class guys, he would just jab and do enough to win the round en route to a decision or late 14-15 round TKO...vs the A class likes of Frazier and Foreman, he would be more intense and more animated...and THOSE are the performances he is most remembered for...

but watching these other fights in their entirety basically may make today's Boxing fans want to change the channel and come back around the 13-15th rounds to see Ali finish the guy off...

in the end, you cannot take Liston, Frazier, Foreman, and Patterson away from Ali...you cannot take away his heart, talent, speed, class and arogance, confidence, dedication, chin, whatever away from him because of lull performances...

[triggerhappy]

ali is kinda sl...sl..sl..slow

[TyrantT316]

people should also remember that Ali was VERY fast before his exile...when he came back, he wasn't exactly the same...a little heavier...a little older...a lot of the fights they show are later in his career where he did the great things...

Ali was fast for a Heavyweight...may not have looked like a Ray Leonard, Jones, or Mayweather in every fight...but he was quick on the release counters when it counted...

[The Troll]

in the end, you cannot take Liston, Frazier, Foreman, and Patterson away from Ali...you cannot take away his heart, talent, speed, class and arogance, confidence, dedication, chin, whatever away from him because of lull performances...

Well to be fair we can take a little away from him. He lost to both Norton and Frazier. Liston quit in the first fight from an injured shoulder and layed down in the second fight. All of which add to my assertion that the Foreman win was by the far the most important of his career. Ali was promoted by Don King in the 70's and he ducked a Foreman rematch like the plaugue.

Ali said after the 3rd Frazier fight he wanted to rematch Foreman and then retire. I wish he would have done that. He would have lost in the rematch and the torch would have been properly passed to Foreman, but it was never to be probably because of Don King or some other issue. Also if he would have followed that plan, fought Foreman and retired he might not have gotten such bad brain damage if he quit in late 75 or 76 instead of 81. We also would have never had to see Ali loose to that ****** Leon Spinks in 78.