Manny Pacquiao is Overrated

[Versatility]

yep, pacquiao is overrated, yet floyd can beat sugar ray and move up to 168 and beat calzaghe

the guy in your avatar was the fighter of the decade and P4P #1 but didn't get introduced as "The Pound 4 Pound King, Fighter of the Decade, Hero of USA, Pensacola in the house, Roy "Superman" Jones Jr" did he?

[Khalid X]

Manny Pacquiao is fighter of the Decade and Floyd is not...deal with it.

[maguirre]

****** thread again. Man, when are these people going to think hard and use their brains?

It's Floyd himself who is overrating Pac with concocted accusations and demanding the most stringent tests in the history of boxing. That is not only overrating, that is fear. Fear of losing.

Just for once, THINK before making these silly threads.

[Versatility]

So are you going to answer the Danny Lopez question? Do you know who he is? Or do you want to talk about Orlando Canizalez? Simon Brown? What do you think about this fighters?

I mean I am just a dumb Pac fan with no knowledge of the sport. I only follow my "God" Pac. I am not a fan of the sport I am a fan of just one fighter. You on the other hand are a Floyd fan... My goodness your knowledge must be up there with the historians.

So tell me oh knowledgeable one... What do you think about those fighters?

Is Donald Curry a HOF'er?

Dude, Stick to the topic, answer my questions, if not dont post in this thread. We can discuss Danny Lopez, Donald Curry and Simon Brown in another thread but right now you should stop answering questions with questions, makes your case weak. BTW ill just say one thing that Curry was a good fighter and an outstanding amatuer background, and even though his two fights with marlon starling were good, I just dont think he had it to be as great in the Pro ranks. His and Mark Breland's career proves that if you're great at amatuers you wont necessarily be as great at PRO's too..even though Curry had more success than Breland in the Pro's.

Now answer my question or please leave this thread because you're not providing anything useful to it so far. Thanks

[Versatility]

Manny Pacquiao is fighter of the Decade and Floyd is not...deal with it.

JMM would KO Floyd..

[Doctor_Tenma]

Even Mayweather's accomplishments can be overrated. But Pacquiao, his greatness is very deceiving. I don't understand how (FOTD, P4P #1) is held to a much lower standard then Mayweather. People don't have a problem with Pacquiao facing Cotto (Needless rematch), Margarito, **** had Foreman beaten Cotto, that would have been a possible opponent. All for a ****** attempt to make bull**** history. On the other hand, the less greater Mayweather is only restricted to 3 opponents, Paul Williams, Sergio Martinez and Pacquiao. This no one can explain. It's either that, or deep down people know Floyd is the better boxer.

[Khalid X]

JMM would KO Floyd..

That's almost as funny as you using 3-4 alts to debate with me.

[jrosales13]

Dude, Stick to the topic, answer my questions, if not dont post in this thread. We can discuss Danny Lopez, Donald Curry and Simon Brown in another thread but right now you should stop answering questions with questions, makes your case weak. BTW ill just say one thing that Curry was a good fighter and an outstanding amatuer background, and even though his two fights with marlon starling were good, I just dont think he had it to be as great in the Pro ranks. His and Mark Breland's career proves that if you're great at amatuers you wont necessarily be as great at PRO's too..even though Curry had more success than Breland in the Pro's.

Now answer my question or please leave this thread because you're not providing anything useful to it so far. Thanks

So you saying Donald Curry is not a HOF'er? A unified WW champ and a 2 division champ. I mean what more did you want him to accomplish? And, as a pro Curry>Breland.

And, I am on topic with this thread. In this tread you said that Pac fans are fans of 1 fighter and not the sport. So lets see if that is true.. Lets talk boxing to see who really is a fan of 1 fighter and a fan of the sport?

Also.... I already answered your ****** ass question without reading you bull**** post.... Every damn fighter is overrated or underrated. It all depends on who is doing the rating man... Don't be so thickheaded.

[Khalid X]

Even Mayweather's accomplishments can be overrated. But Pacquiao, his greatness is very deceiving. I don't understand how (FOTD, P4P #1) is held to a much lower standard then Mayweather. People don't have a problem with Pacquiao facing Cotto (Needless rematch), Margarito, **** had Foreman beaten Cotto, that would have been a possible opponent. All for a ****** attempt to make bull**** history. On the other hand, the less greater Mayweather is only restricted to 3 opponents, Paul Williams, Sergio Martinez and Pacquiao. This no one can explain. It's either that, or deep down people know Floyd is the better boxer.

In all fairness we wont know the critism Manny will take until he takes those fights. Most Pac fans on here have already ****ted on a Margarito fight and I agree that the Cotto rematch is pointless (unless Cotto shows great improvement until Manny Steward and also beats an elite fighter at 154).

I think what it boils down to is recent memories of Floyd not facing Cotto, Margarito and other top WW, instead opting to retire. There was a demand in the boxing community for him to fight those and he didn't. Now people are harder on him because they want him to take hard challenges to make up for it. The Mosley fight went a long way as far as making up for that, and if he beats Manny no one could ever label him a ducker again (in the sense that he avoids challenges). I would address why Manny gets away with it, but I'll leave it alone, unless you really want to know why.

FWIW all the boxing insiders have also stated that Pac vs Margarito is a disgrace to boxing as well as a Cotto rematch is pointless.

[Allucard]

PLEASE READ THIS THREAD BEFORE COMMENTING ON IT.


It is really hilarious how the Pacquiao fans criticise Floyd all the time, calling him a Cherrypicker and other names while overrating and overhyping Pacquiao, well lets see who the real cherry picker, lets go back in history:

Even though Pacquiao has been knocked out twice early in his career by some unknown fighters, I give him credit for where he is right now.... I mean the guy instantly became from zero to hero, but still he is getting vastly overrated now.

Pacquiao fought Erik Morales past his prime three times, and each time Morales was coming off a Loss on his record including the first time to Barrera and Second time to Zahir Raheem.

Cherry Picking? I think so...


Just Look at Pacquiao's FACE when he saw Morales lost to Zahir Raheem at 09:20 of this Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB1vqJj9GvI

Out of the three times he faced a past prime Morales he lost ONCE to a past prime Erik Morales, anyone with a brain knows Morales had been in wars prior to fighting Pacquiao and everyone thought he wasnt the same fighter he once was but he STILL managed to beat Pacquiao in the first fight and thats a credit to the greatness of El Terrible.

Pacquiao has been carefully matched with the opponents that are tailor made for his style, we know a slick counterpuncher would beat Pacquiao this is why he did not face Zahir Raheem, he was having nightmares of what Marquez did with his counterpunching skills.

Most people in their true minds know Pacquiao Lost not once, but TWICE to Marquez, Especially in the second fight, their is no way someone can score that fight for Pacquiao without being a pacquiao fan, meaning only pacquiao fans or filipinos think Pacquiao won the second fight whilst most neutral boxing fans know Marquez won both fights against Pacquiao, the first one was closer, but the 2nd one Marquez clearly won it, Pacquiao only got away with 2 losses against Marquez with it because of his popularity.

The last time Oscar made the Welterweight limit was in 2001, 9 Years ago against Arturo Gatti. In other words Pacquiao fought a dead man in front of him who hadnt fought at this weight for almost a DECADE, Like him being past his prime wasnt enough? But Weight drain him too?

Anyway...We thought this was only a one off deal because we werent sure if Pacquiao was really that good at the higher weights, but when he beat Oscar and Hatton, why did he face Miguel Cotto at a catchweight of 145? I mean as if it wasnt enough that Cotto was possibly damaged by a man who used plaster of paris in his fight, In other words cotto was taking plaster for 11 rounds. That wasnt enough, you want to weight drain the guy too? Jeez..

BTW most of you probably know this, but for the some of you who dont, the weight drained versions of Oscar and Cotto Pacquiao was fighting were stylistically good match-ups in his favour, this is why I dont understand why didnt pacquiao fight them at their best? I think he would have beaten them and got credit for it and rightfully so. But instead he tried to get all advantages each time even though he is the P4P #1...The reason why they were good match-ups because Cotto and Oscar De La Hoya are Natural Lefties, their best punch is the left hook. Natural lefties who fight in an Orthodox stance,

Even Marco Antonio Barrera is a natural Lefty who fights Orthodox...


The punch that Pacquiao hates the most is the Straight right hand, and Marquez and Morales who are Natural Righties had success with it because they are Right handed Counter punchers. Cotto and De La Hoya dont have good straight right hand, like I said before careful matchmaking played a part in it...Now lets see Floyd Mayweather, a fighter who has the BEST STRAIGHT RIGHT Hand, and is a better counterpuncher than Marquez or Morales, Faster than them and basicly better in every boxing category you want to name.

Now do you guys believe why this fight didn't happen in November or March? Pacquiao wants no part of Mayweather even if him and his team like to pretend. In November it was "We agree to the testing" then later on it was "We dont agree to 24 days before the fight" and then in March when they were offered a 50-50 split and 14 day window, they fought Joshua Clottey.

When Mayweather-Mosley did 1.4 million buys (Higher than Pacquiao's highest PPV number which was 1.25 million against the Golden Boy Oscar De La Hoya) then they agreed to the 14 day window after they saw Floyd is the bigger draw.

Pacquiao fans like to comment on Floyd's personal life but what about him claiming to be religious while cheating on his wife? Or his connections with the Mafia? I honestly think Floyd is an honest guy, he isn't fake, he is willing to admit he fights for the money, other fighters pretend they fight for the legacy, but deep down everyone fights for the money. Do you guys Remember Pacquiao's negotiations vs Cotto, Hatton and De La Hoya?

Do you guys Remember Mayweather's negotiations with Hatton and De La Hoya? Compare the two...And you will know who is harder to negotiate with


Conclusion: Careful matchmaking, Catchweights, Fighting fighters after they are coming off losses, and fighting past their prime fighters have all been a part of where Manny Pacquiao is right now. Pacquiao's team has done a great job on him, they aren't as dumb as people think they are, the casual fans are being decieved because they dont know the background story, while the hardcore fans know everything that is happening.

Notice I am saying hardcore fans, the same fans who put boxing before any fighter, they are fan of the sport FIRST, and then the fighter, not the other way around like in the case of Pacquiao and his fans.

Great post man. I find it hard to believe people are unbiased when they have avatars of a single fighter and seem to talk about just about that one fighter. That's most Pacquiao's fans btw. When i saw the second Marquez fight i thought Pacquiao looked like **** and on the way out but Diaz, Hatton, Hoya and even Cotto made him look good again. Thing is, he's juicing.