Like it or not, Andre Wards career is setting up to be an all time great

[Check]

If he retires with those wins... I wouldn't call him an ATG.

You would have to let that play out before you make that assumption. Dirrell could be the next BHOP or something. Those names in 10 years might be more impressive than they are right now.

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You would have to let that play out before you make that assumption. Dirrell could be the next BHOP or something. Those names in 10 years might be more impressive than they are right now.

Not Hopkins but maybe Roy? Or he could very well turn up to be Judah.... Froch is already talking about retirement, Kessler is in his last legs... But, I agree you have to see what happens not only with him but his opponents. Is not a fact that with those wins he would be an ATG though. It just depends on how it plays out.

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I still love to gloat about my badge of honor, the Mosley over Margarito victory. That fight won me a lot of mula.

You and No Ceilings have that one in common.

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If he retires with those wins... I wouldn't call him an ATG.

Why not?

He would be the greatest 168 Pounder ever. Over Calzaghe, Ottke, Roy, Benn. That has to count for something.

[jrosales13]

Why not?

He would be the greatest 168 Pounder ever. Over Calzaghe, Ottke, Roy, Benn. That has to count for something.

If saying Ward would be an ATG SMW? Then yea I agree. But, if you talking about P4P then no... You can't call it now. Like Check said you have to see how it plays out....

I consider Calzaghe the greatest SMW of all time. But, I don't think he is an ATG P4P... So Ward could end up being the greatest SMW of all time but that won't guarantee his a spot as an ATG P4P IMO>