Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Rejects Bigger Revenue Split For Mayweather

[waxfondler]

Why are you people assuming that Floyd really wants the fight? THIS IS ANOTHER DUCK MOVE BY FLOYD. Plain and clear.

whether floyd is ducking or not, he DESERVES upperhand dealings due to beating mosley & pulling 1.4 mil...

frankly, HBO doesnt care about fighter of the decade, they are hugged up with GBP & favor floyd due to his PPV numbers.

[balintawak]

Negotiate Based on Facts

Facts Vs Fiction

- Early comments are pre-negotiation tactics designed to test reactions - much like a jab
- What's fair depends on your position, which is why there are negotiaions

To perhaps evaluate what is objectively fair, let's review the following facts:

Fact1: PBF averages bigger PPV numbers
Fact2: Pac is the #1 Pound for Pound fighter in the world
Fact3: Pac is the current title champion
Fact4: Pac fights are more exciting, resulting in more knockdowns and knockouts
Fact5: PBF is the bigger draw in the US, especially among African Americans
Fact6: Pac has a solid Asian-American following, and a growing fan base in Latin America
Fact7: each Pac fight increases his popularity in the US and abroad

The following are some conjectures juxtaposed with a little logic
Conjecture1: PBF is afraid of Pac
Fact1 - professonal prize fighters are trained to fight anybody, and PBF is no exception
Fact2 - PBF is an astute businessman and will protect his assets
Conclusion: he may not be afraid to fight Pac, but maybe he's afraid of losing his 'never lost' status

Conjecture2: Pac does not want to fight PBF
Fact1 - Looking at Pac's history of overcoming adversity, this is not a big deal in his life
Fact2 - Pac values being well-liked and respected
Conclusion: Pac may want to negotiate hard against PBF, not because of money, but for respect

Although it's true that PBF has proven to be a bigger PPV draw. PPV customers are primarily American, and PBF is more familiar to the average American that Pac, but if this is the best argument for dictating terms, then what is the point of rankings and titles?

Maybe a mediator who is respected by both parties can bring the two sides closer, and perhaps a portion of the difference can be donated towards the oil spill disaster, and then to the winner of the bout.

[carts]

and when floyd asked for OST *****s aint talking shiet.. lol at idiotic *****s in here..

[tredh]

Facts Vs Fiction

- Early comments are pre-negotiation tactics designed to test reactions - much like a jab
- What's fair depends on your position, which is why there are negotiaions

To perhaps evaluate what is objectively fair, let's review the following facts:

Fact1: PBF averages bigger PPV numbers
Fact2: Pac is the #1 Pound for Pound fighter in the world
Fact3: Pac is the current title champion
Fact4: Pac fights are more exciting, resulting in more knockdowns and knockouts
Fact5: PBF is the bigger draw in the US, especially among African Americans
Fact6: Pac has a solid Asian-American following, and a growing fan base in Latin America
Fact7: each Pac fight increases his popularity in the US and abroad

The following are some conjectures juxtaposed with a little logic
Conjecture1: PBF is afraid of Pac
Fact1 - professonal prize fighters are trained to fight anybody, and PBF is no exception
Fact2 - PBF is an astute businessman and will protect his assets
Conclusion: he may not be afraid to fight Pac, but maybe he's afraid of losing his 'never lost' status

Conjecture2: Pac does not want to fight PBF
Fact1 - Looking at Pac's history of overcoming adversity, this is not a big deal in his life
Fact2 - Pac values being well-liked and respected
Conclusion: Pac may want to negotiate hard against PBF, not because of money, but for respect

Although it's true that PBF has proven to be a bigger PPV draw. PPV customers are primarily American, and PBF is more familiar to the average American that Pac, but if this is the best argument for dictating terms, then what is the point of rankings and titles?

Maybe a mediator who is respected by both parties can bring the two sides closer, and perhaps a portion of the difference can be donated towards the oil spill disaster, and then to the winner of the bout.

Not to bad of a post but:
Fact3 has no bearing on these fight negoitations whatsoever.
Fact4 is subjective

[Eaner0919]

I am actually basing their numbers when they fought Mediocre opponents wherein the PPV buys were only between 100-150 PPV buys.

Cotto and Marquez both have fan bases , its just it wont carry it when they are fighting no-name mediocre opponents like Jennings (for Cotto) and Salido (for Marquez).. In both cases, the numbers were awful..

Because at the end of the day, its also about great fights, which is when a fanbase for each fighter comes in to play. Unfortunately, there is a cap when it comes to boxing fanbases as well which is probably around 450,000 PPV buys, and its consistent: Marquez- pre-Oscar Pac (400 K), Cotto-Margarito (450K), Cotto-Mosley (400K), pre-Oscar Floyd- Judah (350K), and so on and so forth...

But if you have a great fight featuring a main****** sports star like Pac or Floyd against fighters who are credible and with a following. Add to that a 24/7 marketing the fight, then you have a formula that has potential to make 1M PPV buys.

The truth is we have proven that Pac can carry a no-name fighter like Clottey and make a mildly successful PPV. Its just that there is a limit and its probably between 500 - 800K.

As for Mayweather there is still no proof as to an extent of how his popularity can carry a fight against a fighter like Clottey, because he still hasn't fought one. Maybe he can carry a PPV pass 1M.. but then again maybe not.. Because that one still remains to be seen.

If I am wrong, then I am wrong but at this point neither of us can assume on how popular Floyd is. All I know at this point is he deserved more than 50% of the split. However I also know that Pac has a chance of getting the leverage back on his side if he fights Margarito, because that one has also a good chance of breaking 1M PPV buys if promoted properly.

he did

Juan Manuel Marquez

or did you forget the paltry numbers Marquez did for his stand alone PPVs against Jaca and Casamayor? (15k and 75k) Then you must have also forgotten about the poor attendance to his fight against Casamayor on of all weekends......Mexican Independence Weekend.

now I get the literal unknown aspect with Clottey and yes Marquez is more known than Clottey. However, when you get to the level that both Pacquiao and Mayweather are at now then the discrepancies get a little more clouded especially when you really look at Marquez's supposed drawing power

[Gary Coleman]

Say what you will, but the numbers don't lie. Mayweather drew bigger numbers with 3 of the exact same opponents as Manny. This is not debatable, Floyd is the bigger draw and deserves the bigger share.

[floydlocaine]

here is uglyducking floyd excuses:
1.want to fight PAC 154lbs
2.glubs
3.floyd wants to fight in MGM
4.usada drugtest
5.higher money%

[dc3383]

Pac doesn'tdeserve 50% period pointblank; he had his chance when he had the upper hand. He thought his **** didn't stink and fought Clottey and figured Floyd would fight Nate Campbell or Paulie or Matthew Hatton. So he could say seeI fought a real WW him or Top Rank never thought he would fight Shane and he did they were f**ked from that point on. 50k showed up and did 6 mill for Manny 15k showed for Floyd and 13mil. Whats funny in both negoitions when you hear something is rejected it has came from Mannys camp; what has Floyd rejected I'll wait for that answer.

[Rome-By-Ko]

whether floyd is ducking or not, he DESERVES upperhand dealings due to beating mosley & pulling 1.4 mil...

frankly, HBO doesnt care about fighter of the decade, they are hugged up with GBP & favor floyd due to his PPV numbers.

Most times I agree with you Wax but not this time.HBO main concern is getting the fight done because of how much money is up for grabs.You can not have a fight like this without Pac or Mayweather 50/50 spit 14 day cut off on testing lets get this thing on already.

[doninlouisiana]

In my opinion they should fight for winner take all! If Floyd is as good as he thinks he is(Same goes for Manny) then put it ALL on the line.