The Circus that is camp Pacquiao

[Chuckguy]

If bob is protecting Pac then why the Oscar fight? That was a huge risk on paper and nobody gave Manny much of a chance to win myself included. Seriously all this effort to discredit a fighter who is hailed by the most respected boxing experts on the planet as the number 1 fighter in the world just so you can argue the point that Floyd deserves more money?

Seriously are you Floyds ***ing agent? Who cares who makes more money because I have said this once and I will say it again none of us are gonna pay 59.99$ to watch Manny and Floyd count their money.

hahaha
thats a good one

I think the way people see it is the person who draws more PPV gets the lion share because PPV is what generates the most money
Its just hard to argue with some posters who are obsessed with the PPV numbers
I feel your pain

[ummeed]

um 700k PPV buys is not low.

why in the world would HBO do a 24/7 between Manny and a literal unknown fighter?

why is Bob responsible for Lamp's being crazy?

Bob cannot fight for Clottey how was he to know Clottey would clam up that bad?

IMO Bob did really well with bringing this as an event. He had a large turnout, good PPV buys considering the opponent Manny had, and a groundswell of doing this in other stadiums

your post doesn't contain any conspiracy theories nor unsupported guesses therefore it doesn't make sense.

[The Big Dunn]

If bob is protecting Pac then why the Oscar fight? That was a huge risk on paper and nobody gave Manny much of a chance to win myself included. Seriously all this effort to discredit a fighter who is hailed by the most respected boxing experts on the planet as the number 1 fighter in the world just so you can argue the point that Floyd deserves more money?

Seriously are you Floyds ***ing agent? Who cares who makes more money because I have said this once and I will say it again none of us are gonna pay 59.99$ to watch Manny and Floyd count their money.

No one is discrediting Pac. The Oscar fightwas done because ODH was and still is the best PPV draw. Manny was able to fight him at 147. AFter seeing ODH vs Forbes, Bob and Manny jumped at the fight. That's smart business. ODH went down to 147 b/c he made $50 mil. I'm not arguing floyd deserves more money. I said Bob played his card wrong and in doing so I think it hurt him.

You spend so much time reading into stuff rather than just addressing what was posted.

[pistol whip]

WHy cause I focused on one particular camp?
I know Floyd Sr and Uncle Rog say some ****** ish but they arent saying Floyd is gonna fight this person then the next

My point being pistol
Manny should tell them to stfu and let bob do his thing
if a person interviews them and asks their opinion fine
but they are going out of their way to talk **** and
blow off the biggest money fight in the history of boxing (potentially)
they are acting like managers and advisors and promoters when they arent

if you want to discuss the *********** that is the mayweather family then go
ahead and make a thread
I will definately post in it

With all thats going on with Pac right now I highly doubt that he even knows what people in his camp are saying in regards to the negotiation. And I seriously doubt that Manny is on the internet scouring english language websites looking to see what his camp said about a possiable fight with mayweather. Call me crazy but I seriously think that the only people who notice these quotes are the people on this board because half of the time I only see these quotes on this forum thats it. It maybe front page news to us but to the rest of the sporting world it isn't even last page news.

[BritishBoxing92]

Every day you hear about someone from Pacs camp coming out saying Pac is going to fight this guy or that guy. You have Freddie saying one thing then Arum saying something different. A few days later you have Ariza saying something then punching bag (hahha I wish I could have been there to witness it) Konz opens his trap. I just dont understand how they all have an opinion and say things to reliable media sources.

Why doest Arum and Pac get together and just shut them all up?
This is in no way a bash on pac or his camp nor am I saying that mayweather and his camp handle their biz any better. I just think its weird how all these people have a say in the pac camp. We all know that Pac is the puppet but damn have just one person puling the strings.

The time has passed and its been over a month so Floyd should be all rested and back from Vacation.

Arum needs to push this and hard and only Arum. If its a no go then quit wasting time and move on to the next best thing!

you have a point.....

[Tamis!]

SSShhhhh guys....

If you include The Mayweathers in your arguement you are desperate and expressing your hate towards Floyd. You guys need not be biased, how dare you guys...

[Eaner0919]

IMO it Doesn't matter. In both fights the A side sold the fight not the opponent. Cotto beat Shane and May shane did as much as Manny cotto. Floyd went from 1.1 mil to 1.25 mil. Manny went from 1.25 mil to 700k. Don't you think that had some impact?

but Mayweather went from Marquez to Mosley who have been on PPVs prior, have been on HBO quite a bit, and are at least known within the casual boxing fan community

Manny went from Cotto, another known entity, to Clottey who really is an unknown fighter to those that matter when it comes to buying fights, the casual fan.

I think it has impact but at the same time there are some circumstances to the benefit of Manny

Also floyd has been off 2 yrs and come back and sold 2.35 mil ppvs. Manny has been the highest profile fighter in the world. been in the highest profile fights and his last 2 ppvs are 1.95 mil. Thats 400,000 x $49.95= $180 mil. Thats huge money dude!

it is and IMO Mayweather is within his right to ask for a larger share if they ever negotiate

I may be wrong about leverage but think about this. Manny has publicly come off his stance about OST. from none to 14 days. Same time. Money has publicly made a stronger stance.

it's not a stronger stance it's the original one he came with

[The Big Dunn]

dude, clottey's only known to the diehard boxing fans. then general public or any casual fan dont even know the guy. he's not even that big in ghana and there's not a big ghana boxinig fanbase here in the US.

cotto has a huge puerto rican fanbase.

700K is very big if you're pulling it almost by yourself.

Twako:

I dont disagree with the premise of your point. That said we are looking at it like that. The bottom line people are not. Yes Clottey was a non entity. But they didn't market Clottey they marketed Manny and the new stadium.

I know why Manny didn't sell as much. But floyd pulled in over 1mil ppv's vs Marquez. Yes they moved the fight back. Yes Marquezz is mexican and a bigger draw than clottey. My point is froma bottom line standpoint Manny somewhat regressed.

[The Big Dunn]

but Mayweather went from Marquez to Mosley who have been on PPVs prior, have been on HBO quite a bit, and are at least known within the casual boxing fan community

Manny went from Cotto, another known entity, to Clottey who really is an unknown fighter to those that matter when it comes to buying fights, the casual fan.

I think it has impact but at the same time there are some circumstances to the benefit of Manny



it is and IMO Mayweather is within his right to ask for a larger share if they ever negotiate



it's not a stronger stance it's the original one he came with

Yes. but manny had the benefit of the whole spotlight to himslef when floyd was retired. And he had all the press on ESPN b/c it was in texas stadium.

IMO, floyd gets people who buy his fights to see him lose. I don't know if manny gets that. I guess thats been good for 100k ppvs each fight. Just a guess I have no way to prove this. But the bottom line is the bottom line.

400k more people purchased floyds last 2 fights. Thats 400k more people that saw Bud signs, tecate signs, AT&T. etc.

[pistol whip]

No one is discrediting Pac. The Oscar fightwas done because ODH was and still is the best PPV draw. Manny was able to fight him at 147. AFter seeing ODH vs Forbes, Bob and Manny jumped at the fight. That's smart business. ODH went down to 147 b/c he made $50 mil. I'm not arguing floyd deserves more money. I said Bob played his card wrong and in doing so I think it hurt him.

You spend so much time reading into stuff rather than just addressing what was posted.

And everytime I point out something in your post it's always the same thing "ohh thats not what I meant".

So if that was your point I am still disagreeing with you. Manny is still gonna get 50/50 split for this to happen. It's not like anyone is talking about other possiable Mayweathwer opponents and at this point I don't Floyd wants anything less than fights that are gonna make him huge money.