Anyone Else Annoyed With All the Ali Fanboys?
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In p4p rankings I don't mind henry armstrong being placed second and Ali third.
But in terms of "greatest fighter", for me personally Ali is 2nd or 1st.
I don't mind SRR being first and ALi second.
I don't mind ALi being first and SRR second.
look at this video:
Henry Armstrong is definitely an elitistComment
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If we're talking p4p, surely the fact that Ali was bigger than 90% of his opponents should be a factor. That and HWs are hardly ever on p4p lists, unless they're small ones (relative to their opposition,) like Tyson or Holyfield.Comment
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Forget it, there is no way this thread will die now. I am guilty of bumping it like it was my own thread lol.
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You mad???We get it, you dont care how many times 185 pounders knocked him unconcious, or what bums knocked him down, or what percentage of his fights were fixed or had controversial score cards. We get it. You want to tongue punch Ali's shaking **** box, you dont need to come to this forum and post 500 threads a day about it.
Great, another Ali thread, thanks. ****.Comment
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What should we call them? We have *******s and *****s. How about Alidiots? Muhammtards? Muhammos? Muhammos Alitards.Comment
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Never get tired of seeing that Andy Nonells KO (1940 Golden Gloves) - such great, raw footage, you can feel the heat of the venue coming off the screen when you watch it.In p4p rankings I don't mind henry armstrong being placed second and Ali third.
But in terms of "greatest fighter", for me personally Ali is 2nd or 1st.
I don't mind SRR being first and ALi second.
I don't mind ALi being first and SRR second.
look at this video:
Henry Armstrong is definitely an elitist
Ali is certainly the much more iconic, renowned fighter than Armstrong. But that at least partly owes to the TV era he fought in, and that there is much more of his body of work captured on celluloid. He's also, in a exoteric sense, somewhat more of an iconic fighter than Robinson. Or any fighter, for that matter. He's Ali.
I'd argue that the interchangeability of Robinson and Ali is a really subjective thing and not any actual measure of Greatness. It's a romantic notion that they are kin to each other, IMO, has a lot to do with Ali's testimony of Robinson's influence upon him. Some people may pick up on it and build it up in their mind to mean more than it maybe does. Which isn't a bad thing, I'm just questioning its accuracy in relation to measuring Greatness.
From what I know, what comparative little I've seen and what accounts I've read of them, the accomplishments of Robinson and Armstrong are more closely related in Greatness terms than those of Robinson and Ali, IMO.Last edited by MACAQUEINBLACK; 06-16-2010, 10:05 AM.Comment
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The difficulty is we don't really know that much bout these fighters careers It's hard to judge. The most we can really do is look up a resume on boxrec.Never get tired of seeing that Andy Nonells KO (1940 Golden Gloves) - such great, raw footage, you can feel the heat of the venue coming off the screen when you watch it.
Ali is certainly the much more iconic, renowned fighter than Armstrong. But that at least partly owes to the TV era he fought in, and that there is much more of his body of work captured on celluloid. He's also, in a exoteric sense, somewhat more of an iconic fighter than Robison.
I'd argue that the interchangeability of Robinson and Ali is a really subjective thing and not any actual measure of Greatness. It's a romantic notion that they are kin to each other, IMO, has a lot to do with Ali's testimony of Robinson's influence upon him. Some people may pick up on it and build it up in their mind to mean more than it maybe does. Which isn't a bad thing, I'm just questioning its accuracy in relation to measuring Greatness.
From what I know, what comparative little I've seen and what accounts I've read of them, the accomplishments of Robinson and Armstrong are more closely related in Greatness terms than those of Robinson and Ali, IMO.Comment

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