Pacquiao Deserves BWAA Fighter Of The Decade Award

[Khalid X]

Just a though. Many people prob haven't thought of it this way....and pls correct me if i am wrong in my assumptions.

The media (essentially the same writers who overwhelmingly voted for Pac) had Floyd ranked ahead of Pac (look at any P4P list) for 8 of the 10 years this award covers. So for 8 yrs of the decade FMJ was universally recognised as better than Manny Pacquaio.

This tells us something. It tells us Pac won this award on the back of victories against ODLH, Hatton and Cotto. Now put that into context. Floyd beat better versions of both ODLH and Hatton years earlier. So that leaves a win over Cotto @ 145 after he was crushed by Margarito (who prob had loaded gloves) and arguably lost to Clottey.

I bet all these writers who voted didn't go back and see that they all had Floyd> Pac for 8 years of the 10.


PS. Manny is a deserving winner........but i feel the reasoning for his win isn't as well thought out as it could be.

Honestly Check, most of those guys have been following the sport for a long time. Hell I have seen some of those same guys write biased articles about Manny, yet he still was unanimously voted by those guys.

Pac had won fighter of the year 3 times and an argument could be made that he should have won 4 (2003 when he beat Barrera). The closest guy is Floyd and 8 other guys with 1 fighter of the year. So based off of that alone it's clear as to why He should have gotten it.

[check hook]

Honestly Check, most of those guys have been following the sport for a long time. Hell I have seen some of those same guys write biased articles about Manny, yet he still was unanimously voted by those guys.

Pac had won fighter of the year 3 times and an argument could be made that he should have won 4 (2003 when he beat Barrera). The closest guy is Floyd and 8 other guys with 1 fighter of the year. So based off of that alone it's clear as to why He should have gotten it.

it's a good point......maybe i'm too biased but i don't see any distinguishing features on Manny's resume that give him the nod ahead of PBF. Floyd's dominance has been challenged only once and he gave Castillo an immediate rematch. Both fighters share "big name" wins over ODLH and Hatton, yet Floyd beat better versions of both.

[Ryannn]

it's a good point......maybe i'm too biased but i don't see any distinguishing features on Manny's resume that give him the nod ahead of PBF. Floyd's dominance has been challenged only once and he gave Castillo an immediate rematch. Both fighters share "big name" wins over ODLH and Hatton, yet Floyd beat better versions of both.

barrera, morales, marquez..

now you can try to discredit those wins, but those are the fighters that separate floyd from manny

[slickfox]

barrera, morales, marquez..

now you can try to discredit those wins, but those are the fighters that separate floyd from manny

did floyd have a chance to fight these guys? no he didnt he was gone from their division before they were famous. marquez wanted to fight and floyd gave him the fight because there werent many options for a comeback fight and if you say mosley that has been taken care of. yea the fight would have been more fair at 140 but floyd cant make that weight and no one forced marquez to fight. Only thing I will say is that was a B itch move not to shed enough weight to get to 144

[Ryannn]

did floyd have a chance to fight these guys? no he didnt he was gone from their division before they were famous. marquez wanted to fight and floyd gave him the fight because there werent many options for a comeback fight and if you say mosley that has been taken care of. yea the fight would have been more fair at 140 but floyd cant make that weight and no one forced marquez to fight. Only thing I will say is that was a B itch move not to shed enough weight to get to 144

where did i say floyd had to face them?

manny was lucky in a sense that these 3 hofers were at the same division when he was peaking. some were saying this was the golden era of the featherweights.

floyd has had no competition available to him who are on morales, barrera, and marquez' level at the time were manny was facing them.

marquez was older and out of his comfortable weight class when floyd fought him. people expected jmm to be ko'd.

[check hook]

barrera, morales, marquez..

now you can try to discredit those wins, but those are the fighters that separate floyd from manny

respectfully i disagree......barrerra stands out.....but most of the writers that voted prob also believe he lost to JMM both times. He also lost to Morales the first time.......he beat Morales in the rubber match coming off a loss.


- Hernandez (never lost @ the weight)
- Corrales (undefeated, prime and a KO% over 90)
- Castillo x 2 (prime + immediate rematch given to quell doubt)
- Gatti (crushed in 6 rds)
- Judah
- Baldomir (lineal)
- Hatton (undefeated)
- ODLH (154 pounds)
- JMM (dominant victory)


----> no question of Floyd's superiority except Casillo # 1.


vs

- Barrerra (excellent win given what Barrerra had done to the previos oppossition)

- Morales (lost when Erik was at his best/just below it. Subsequently won the rubber match against Erik after he lost to Raheem)

- JMM (A win and a draw------->both highly disputed

- Diaz (wekest beltholder)

- ODLH (severely weight drained and also shot---> Steve Forbes busted him up)

- Hatton (again Mayweather beat better versions of ODLH and Hatton)

- Cotto (lost badly to Margarito and won controversial decision against Clottey)


Also he hasn't been dominant.....think against the likes of Sanchez and Larios. Some of his best wins also came against men coming off dominant losses.



again maybe i am bias....BUT i fail to see anything that distinuguishes Manny.

[Khalid X]

it's a good point......maybe i'm too biased but i don't see any distinguishing features on Manny's resume that give him the nod ahead of PBF. Floyd's dominance has been challenged only once and he gave Castillo an immediate rematch. Both fighters share "big name" wins over ODLH and Hatton, yet Floyd beat better versions of both.

Hell I have my own biases as well...lol. Honestly I can see an argument for Floyd but I just know that those writers follow the sport closer than I do, so I personally can't argue against them or their decision.

[slickfox]

are you sure marquez is a HOFer, I feel his resume a little short since he didnt get those decisions against pac and then no matter the weight floyd make him look like a fool

[check hook]

are you sure marquez is a HOFer, I feel his resume a little short since he didnt get those decisions against pac and then no matter the weight floyd make him look like a fool

JMM is a sure fire HOF'er.

[Ryannn]

respectfully i disagree......barrerra stands out.....but most of the writers that voted prob also believe he lost to JMM both times. He also lost to Morales the first time.......he beat Morales in the rubber match coming off a loss.


- Hernandez (never lost @ the weight)
- Corrales (undefeated, prime and a KO% over 90)
- Castillo x 2 (prime + immediate rematch given to quell doubt)
- Gatti (crushed in 6 rds)
- Judah
- Baldomir (lineal)
- Hatton (undefeated)
- ODLH (154 pounds)
- JMM (dominant victory)


----> no question of Floyd's superiority except Casillo # 1.


vs

- Barrerra (excellent win given what Barrerra had done to the previos oppossition)

- Morales (lost when Erik was at his best. Subsequently won the rubber match against Erik after he lost to Raheem)

- JMM (A win and a draw------->both highly disputed

- Diaz (wekest beltholder)

- ODLH (severely weight drained and also shot---> Steve Forbes busted him up)

- Hatton (again Mayweather beat better versions of ODLH and Hatton)

- Cotto (lost badly to Margarito and won controversial decision against Clottey)


Also he hasn't been dominant.....think against the likes of Sanchez and Larios. Some of his best wins also came against men coming off dominant losses.



again maybe i am bias....BUT i fail to see anything that distinuguishes Manny.

in making comparison wins, you can't discredit one man's wins and up the others...

morales (elite fighter, never been kod)

jmm (kd 4 times, coming off a streak when manny faced him)

diaz (first fight at 135, dominated a paper holder)

oscar (fought him at 147, oscar's proposed weight, had 1 fight at 135, dominated him completely)

hatton (lineal titlist at the same weight)

cotto (atleast top 2 welterweight, second fight there, dominated him)