The Manny Pacquiao not fighting blackfighter Myth is total bullcrap!!

[sicko]

Let's not forget that "Slick" isnt even a style. You cant learn "slick".

It's simply a 6th sense in the ring to anticipate and avoid punches through years and years and years of experience.

Its not like you can walk into an american gym and be taught to fight like floyd or pernell whitaker.

yeah you have a point but it is a style, obviously it is not a style just anyone can learn but it is a style of boxing but your right most of those guys are just blessed with it

[jrosales13]

I need somebody to define slick for me? Because, I hear a lot of guys being called slick who are not slick. A slick fighter should not get hit as much as the fighters that some of you guys have mentioned as being slick.

I am reading Campbell, Mosley, Berto, Judah, Malignaggi. These fighters are not slick. But, maybe we have different definitions of slickness I don't know.

[pistol whip]

But the point is, Marquez was a Mexican. There is a stereotype for Mexican fighters that even Pacquiao & his team subscribe to. And that is that they like to fight and get in exchanges - their Mexican pride makes them do it -.

So he fought Morales & JMM, knowing that they can box but are more prone to getting into exchanges. He also knows that none of them have the natural fluidity that a African-American, that learned his craft in Mid-Western/East-Coast gyms. Even with Yuri Foreman, they knew that he was not only a tall 5'11 but he fights the Brookly Pauli Malignaggie style of boxing, so they said he was too tall for them, even though Margarito is the same height and they're willing to fight Margarito.

Exactly you are basing your entire thory on this bull**** stereotype that somehow Black fighters are more athletic and naturally much more gifted. So my question is where are these fighters in the lower weigh classes? Why is it that none of these fighter and their style exist under the 140 pound weight class.

You are comparing Yuri Forman a junior middleweight to Morales and marquez who were featherweights and jr lightweights at the time. If top rank was only matching Pac with mexicans it was because they were the only ones viable enough in that division. Did you want them to pull out Golden Johnson and Kevin Kelly out of the retirement home instead? Would that of been the greater challange?

[Chuckguy]

You know what is wrong with the sport of boxing these days? The lack of acknowledgement and tolerance.

Pacquiao didn't dominate the championships and the limelight? I don't know what you have been watching but to say something lesser than what he has accomplished is unprecedented.

The thing is that you are making it sound like he beat all the lineal champions and dominated in doing so
none of the champs he beat were lineal or even considered the best at that weight
135 he beat Diaz
both Frietas and Juan Baby Bull were seen as better champions
144 he beat Cotto who wasnt even seen as the best WW it was SSM and it didnt matter that Cotto beat him 18 months before most people/ experts had Mosley as the man
Ill give him credit for Hatton cause that is where Ricky was lineal I beleive

I do acknowledge what he has acomplished however there were tougher roads for Manny

[pistol whip]

Yeah and the reason Pac didnt fight him is because he knows he would lose on points and look foolish like MOrales did
does that make Raheem better than Pac?
Hell no
but its just a bad match for him
Pac gets shh it because he keeps fighting the same type of fighter
he doesnt fight someone that is as fast or somewhat comparable to him

I know its not his fault that he is super fast but level the playing field
to me he would get more props if he beat Frietas (who at that time I believe was undefeated) and then a judah or berto only cause they both have pop and are very fast themselves

He got clobbered by Arcalino Fritas for christ sake!!!!

[jrosales13]

The thing is that you are making it sound like he beat all the lineal champions and dominated in doing so
none of the champs he beat were lineal or even considered the best at that weight
135 he beat Diaz
both Frietas and Juan Baby Bull were seen as better champions
144 he beat Cotto who wasnt even seen as the best WW it was SSM and it didnt matter that Cotto beat him 18 months before most people/ experts had Mosley as the man
Ill give him credit for Hatton cause that is where Ricky was lineal I beleive

I do acknowledge what he has acomplished however there were tougher roads for Manny

Freitas and Baby bull were not the champions when Pac beat David Diaz. Campbell had two belts that he got from beating Baby and Casamayor was the lineal champ when Pac beat Diaz. Both Campbell and Casa were better champs than David Diaz.

[Chuckguy]

But, he fought coutner punchers already. He has beaten better counter punchers then say Judah and Berto. He has KO'd slicker fighters then Judah and Berto or Campbell.

That isnt the point the point is that fighting them is way more challenging for him then who he fought
Im just saying cause they can match his speed and they both have power
its not about slick this or that because I think slick is just some made up term that holds no merit

[Chuckguy]

Freitas and Baby bull were not the champions when Pac beat David Diaz. Campbell had two belts that he got from beating Baby and Casamayor was the lineal champ when Pac beat Diaz. Both Campbell and Casa were better champs than David Diaz.

Oh yeah
thanks for the info

and if he would have fought frietas we all know now that pack would have kiled him but at that time it was a better fight or joel
you have to admit he went for the easier fight

[pistol whip]

The thing is that you are making it sound like he beat all the lineal champions and dominated in doing so
none of the champs he beat were lineal or even considered the best at that weight
135 he beat Diaz
both Frietas and Juan Baby Bull were seen as better champions
144 he beat Cotto who wasnt even seen as the best WW it was SSM and it didnt matter that Cotto beat him 18 months before most people/ experts had Mosley as the man
Ill give him credit for Hatton cause that is where Ricky was lineal I beleive

I do acknowledge what he has acomplished however there were tougher roads for Manny

Nobody is dis*****g your statement here what Im dis*****g is that just because non of those fighters were "black" doesn't mean that pac wasn't fighting great fighters who had pleanty of skill in their own right.

[Chuckguy]

He got clobbered by Arcalino Fritas for christ sake!!!!

yeah we know this now pisto but not at that time
look at david diaz
he is totally irrelevant too
so is that such a great win?

Like I told Jro
Pac would have killed Frietas but it would still have been a better win than David Diaz