Comments Thread For: Doctors Back Pacquiao's Case Against USADA Protocol

[fcastro1]

Floyd certainly has the most intelligent fan base. I don't think any other fighter has fans where the majority of whom are also doctors or are medically qualified, as well as being experts in drugs and their use.

I assume this is why Floyd fans are so confident in their rebuttal of the comments in the article.....LOL

they are all ped experts!!

[davidoff]

no, we read the article, and both testing and not testing was debated, not to mention that the main reason why the commission is against it has nothing to do with Dr. but $$$$.

I understand there has been some decent debate, and I'm grateful people have tried to engage in it.

But reading some of the comments simply dismissing what's been said is ridiculous. And quite embarrassing for the posters due to their arrogance in thinking they know it all.

[AllEyesOpen]

I understand there has been some decent debate, and I'm grateful people have tried to engage in it.

But reading some of the comments simply dismissing what's been said is ridiculous. And quite embarrassing for the posters due to their arrogance in thinking they know it all.

None of us are experts, just people on the internet with opinions.

[baracuda]

None of us are experts, just people on the internet with opinions.

thank you for admittin that...lol ... but these are experts:

Voy, former Chief Medical Office of the USOC, said current blood testing as to HGH is "ureliable and impractical."



That was theme Dr. Watson chimed in on, saying, "I believe that urine is the best substance to test. I agree with Dr. Voy that urine (random testing) is what we should require and that blood is not necessary.

[Pullcounter]

Okay, i know your a smart guy, but you are ****ing reaching on this one. So know because a human being is behind the testing it's flawed. Would you perfer a robot?

I would in fact prefer any mechanism that takes out the human decision to make the call. that's what makes it random.

Fact is you just made my point, as long as someone who's not one of the 2 fighters is in charge of the testing and based on the testing they chose when to stop taking blood, so be it. As long as it's not one of the fighter being tested who dictates when he will and will not be tested. your so called "pop quiz" was a completely random event to you that you could not prepare for, and that my friend is the point.

perceived randomness and actual randomness is not the same thing. That's why you got Tygart frontloading the testing with an 18 day cut off based on some whim, cause that's what a "pop quiz" is. The testing shouldn't be done on the fancy of tygart and his croonies, it should be completely randomized. even they should not know when the testing will occur.

Mosley is an admitted EPO user, that fact that they cut off the testing at 18 days means they ****ed up IMHO. And if that is there standard then 14 days is more than enough.

[davidoff]

None of us are experts, just people on the internet with opinions.

Hence why there should be some humility when an expert does give an opinion.

[Gutz]

LOL. According to these doctors, NSAC should stop testing for AIDS and stuff because a blood test could be harmful

What a doctors says.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>what you say...

[AllEyesOpen]

I would in fact prefer any mechanism that takes out the human decision to make the call. that's what makes it random.



perceived randomness and actual randomness is not the same thing. That's why you got Tygart frontloading the testing with an 18 day cut off based on some whim, cause that's what a "pop quiz" is. The testing shouldn't be done on the fancy of tygart and his croonies, it should be completely randomized. even they should not know when the testing will occur.

Mosley is an admitted EPO user, that fact that they cut off the testing at 18 days means they ****ed up IMHO. And if that is there standard then 14 days is more than enough.

No, not a whim. Based on the testing up until that point, I can't explain it any clearer and you are simply trying to debate the meaning of "random" and avoid all the facts behind the decision. If my sig isn't clear enough for you then i guess i was wrong about the whole "smart" thing. Sorry for wasting both of our time.

[AllEyesOpen]

Hence why there should be some humility when an expert does give an opinion.

Of course, but even they were debating this fact with the head of the USADA in the article, this isn't a fact based, it's the Dr. opinion. and we are all entitled to an opinion.

[Vasyl’s dad]

No, not a whim. Based on the testing up until that point, I can't explain it any clearer and you are simply trying to debate the meaning of "random" and avoid all the facts behind the decision. If my sig isn't clear enough for you then i guess i was wrong about the whole "smart" thing. Sorry for wasting both of our time.

Mosley is a past steroid user,

how can you sit there and justify there isn't a means to do so?


It doesn't get any more su****ious than being a user in the past.