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  • arne
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    #311
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    I think drawing blood then training & sparring will endanger or maybe develop infection in that area wherein you got that shots,, i think this should be explained properly,,as it will slowdown your training going to the fight day...

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    • WESS
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      #312
      Originally posted by AllEyesOpen
      I figured my knew sig would be enough but sometimes you gotta break it down. but in the end people will refuse to accept the obvious.
      "Pac isn't ready for a fighter like Mayweather" - Master coach and 3 time trainer of the year Freddie Roach (the guy who trained James Toney when he tested + for illegal PEDs twice)

      but at the end of the day....

      "The ball is now in Pacquiao's court" - Brain Kinney (the guy who always bashes and calls out Floyd Mayweather)

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      • bugzlife
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        #313
        Originally posted by DempseyRollin
        and once again, doctors with agendas lie. these arent your run of the mill doctors at a doctors office. these are doctors with millions of dollars lookin out for themselves and the ppl they work wit.
        i'd rather believe these doctors who are experts in the medical field than a guy who doesn't know that there is no such word as "agendas".

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        • Pullcounter
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          #314
          Originally posted by AllEyesOpen
          It wasn't needed cause there were no signs with every test until then, so at that point they went with urine, if the urine tests had been suspect then they would have tested blood to be sure, something they would not be able to do if there were a 14 day cut off date.

          IMHO Boxers risk their lives in the ring and deserve the best kind of testing to protect them from an unfair advantage, regardless of cost. As i've said before, an unfair advantage in the sport of boxing is a matter of life and death.

          the fact that they test based on whether there are no signs as the tests progress means that the process is not very random. the fact that a human being is making the decision to test or not to test means the testing his not random.

          for example, you remember getting pop quizzes in school. those quizzes weren't random, it was at the whim of your teacher. your teacher made the decision to give the quiz.

          if your teacher wanted to make the quizzes random, before the semester even started, she would've wrote the dates of the entire semester and put them all into a hat, then RANDOMLY draw dates to test from that hat.


          USADA procedures should be called "pop testing" not "random testing".

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          • Check_hooks
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            #315
            the doctors in the article basically told floyd to STFU and FIGHT PACQUIAO

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            • Rome-By-Ko
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              #316
              Originally posted by WESS
              "Pac isn't ready for a fighter like Mayweather" - Master coach and 3 time trainer of the year Freddie Roach (the guy who trained James Toney when he tested + for illegal PEDs twice)

              but at the end of the day....

              "The ball is now in Pacquiao's court" - Brain Kinney (the guy who always bashes and calls out Floyd Mayweather)
              I thought Pac agree to 14 days OST?

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              • AllEyesOpen
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                #317
                Originally posted by Pullcounter

                the fact that they test based on whether there are no signs as the tests progress means that the process is not very random. the fact that a human being is making the decision to test or not to test means the testing his not random.

                for example, you remember getting pop quizzes in school. those quizzes weren't random, it was at the whim of your teacher. your teacher made the decision to give the quiz.

                if your teacher wanted to make the quizzes random, before the semester even started, she would've wrote the dates of the entire semester and put them all into a hat, then RANDOMLY draw dates to test from that hat.


                USADA procedures should be called "pop testing" not "random testing".
                Okay, i know your a smart guy, but you are ****ing reaching on this one. So know because a human being is behind the testing it's flawed. Would you perfer a robot?

                Fact is you just made my point, as long as someone who's not one of the 2 fighters is in charge of the testing and based on the testing they chose when to stop taking blood, so be it. As long as it's not one of the fighter being tested who dictates when he will and will not be tested. your so called "pop quiz" was a completely random event to you that you could not prepare for, and that my friend is the point.

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                • davidoff
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                  #318
                  Floyd certainly has the most intelligent fan base. I don't think any other fighter has fans where the majority of whom are also doctors or are medically qualified, as well as being experts in drugs and their use.

                  I assume this is why Floyd fans are so confident in their rebuttal of the comments in the article.....LOL

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                  • Vasyl’s dad
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                    #319
                    Originally posted by WESS
                    Damn dude, I didn't think you would need to actually explain it like you were talking to a f**king two year old. The article yesterday already explained this very very very crystal CLEAR.

                    No su****ion, no more blood being drawn. If they have su****ion, blood will be drawn. Simple as that......

                    The KEY("KEY") point to understand is that they HAVE the ability to test IF NEEDED...... No su****ion then no test? How hard is that for people to understand?

                    The point is to have the option so IF the fighter wanted to juice, they couldn't KNOWING that they COULD in fact be tested.

                    BUT AGAIN if Pac is clean (which I think he is) and they have no su****ion of anything then they will have no reason to further test.

                    Yes, it is as easy as that.

                    The REAL question is, why is the magical non existent number 14 OK now but not when (Freddie Roach explained that Pac wasn't ready for a fighter like Mayweather) they tried to negotiate the 1st time around?

                    Pac will give in (again) and the fight will be made unless Money (imo the real issue) becomes a big deal "The ball is now in Pac's court" - Brian Kinney
                    Shane Mosley is a past steroid user. What the funk do you mean there isn't any su****ion?

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                    • AllEyesOpen
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                      #320
                      Originally posted by davidoff
                      Floyd certainly has the most intelligent fan base. I don't think any other fighter has fans where the majority of whom are also doctors or are medically qualified, as well as being experts in drugs and their use.

                      I assume this is why Floyd fans are so confident in their rebuttal of the comments in the article.....LOL
                      no, we read the article, and both testing and not testing was debated, not to mention that the main reason why the commission is against it has nothing to do with Dr. but $$$$.

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