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  • JAB5239
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    #171
    Originally posted by Stone Roses
    If you insist. Off the top of my head, Joe Gans, Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong, Willie Pep, Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard, Eder Jofre, Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Bob Fitzsimmons, Jimmy Wilde, Mickey Walker, Archie Moore, Jack Johnson, Gene Tunney, Ezzard Charles..............

    Any one of the fighters I just listed can claim superiority over Ross and Leonard. It is not set in stone that Barney Ross and Leonard are soo much greater than these fighters.

    Allow me to pick holes in some of your choices. We can exclude Greb, Armstrong, and Langford since I have them rated above both Leonard and Ross. And we can excuse Charles, Pep, Ray Leonard and Duran who I have ranked above Ross.

    First a little history on Leonard and Ross.

    Leonard fought in the toughest era of lightweight boxing. Had multiple fight with guys such as Tendler, Kansas, Britton, Dundee, Cline. Lewis, Kilbane and Welsh. His era was like Ali's only with lightweights who threw more punches and had more talent than a lot of Ali's foes.

    Barney Ross was the first triple crown champ in history and beat such names as Fuller, Garcia, Canzoneri, McLarnin, Klick and Petrolle. He also beat bot Canzoneri and McLarnin when both were prime and considered the best fighter in the world.

    You can exclude Johnson, Tunney, Wilde and Jofre as their resumes simply don't stack up to that of Leonard or Ross. That Leaves you Moore, Louis, Fitz, Walker and Ali to argue over. All worthy of being argued for and points can be made to go in their direction depending on how you want to look at it. I'll be happy to argue if you want, but I think its more interesting that you said you could name MANY fighters. I just figured you would have excluded the ones I already named for you and come up with a lot more names.

    Lets take this one at a time. We've already gone round and round with Ali so lets pick a new name. Why do you think Mickey Walker should rank higher than both Leonard and Ross?

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    • JAB5239
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      #172
      Originally posted by rubensonnny
      yeah but you can watch all fighters now is what im saying. if i were to compose a list i would definately not take into account any of the rings writings on fighters now. ive only really read stuff by doug fischer and michael rosenthal but they both strike me as incredibly biased particularly doug fischer.
      Im not trying to argue with you here, I respect your opinion even though I disagree with some of it. I just want you to be open minded and look at this from another perspective.

      Film today of fighters is fantastic. Do you think that it could possibly also make you (not you in particular) somewhat biased when you compare it to the crappy film of fighters back when?

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      • Bhopreign
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        #173
        Originally posted by rubensonnny
        yeah but you can watch all fighters now is what im saying. if i were to compose a list i would definately not take into account any of the rings writings on fighters now. ive only really read stuff by doug fischer and michael rosenthal but they both strike me as incredibly biased particularly doug fischer.
        Exactly....

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        • Thread Stealer
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          #174
          As much of a boxing nerd as I am, I haven't even tried to come up with a top 100 list. Too much info and too hard to separate certain fighters. I'm often a bit indecisive about certain fighters and whom is greater. For instance, Michael Spinks and Marvin Hagler. Hagler had a lot more fights, and more quality wins. However, Spinks fought in one of the best LHW eras ever and never lost there, and moved up to win the legitimate HW title. Against a much naturally bigger fighter, who had made 20 straight title defenses of the HW crown. And despite the rematch, the first verdict was fair.

          I wish the newbies/casual fans would understand what a great fighter Spinks was, rather than the guy whom Mike Tyson demolished. How many other natural light heavyweights would do well against a 21 year old Mike Tyson?

          I would imagine though that I'd have Ezzard Charles pretty high. His resume is amazing. Perhaps the #1 LHW ever, and then he wins the HW title and makes like 8 defenses of that.

          And keep in mind the guy basically lost three years of his career, in his early twenties, due to World War II.
          Last edited by Thread Stealer; 06-09-2010, 02:07 AM.

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          • JAB5239
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            #175
            Originally posted by Bhopreign
            Exactly....
            Still no list huh? Lol....pffft.

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            • Bhopreign
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              #176
              Originally posted by JAB5239
              Still no list huh? Lol....pffft.
              Didnt say Id make one tonight/this morning. Keep reading your press clippings.

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              • RubenSonny
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                #177
                Originally posted by JAB5239
                Im not trying to argue with you here, I respect your opinion even though I disagree with some of it. I just want you to be open minded and look at this from another perspective.

                Film today of fighters is fantastic. Do you think that it could possibly also make you (not you in particular) somewhat biased when you compare it to the crappy film of fighters back when?
                yeah i do, i should of put it better i just meant that its very difficult to compare fighters when you have different forms of data on them.

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                • JAB5239
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                  #178
                  Originally posted by Bhopreign
                  Didnt say Id make one tonight/this morning. Keep reading your press clippings.


                  Who knows more boxing history, me or you?

                  By the way, you'll never make that list.

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                  • JAB5239
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                    #179
                    Originally posted by rubensonnny
                    yeah i do, i should of put it better i just meant that its very difficult to compare fighters when you have different forms of data on them.
                    This I agree with 100%! Nice to see a person keep an open mind on this board...green k!

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                    • RubenSonny
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                      #180
                      Originally posted by PED User
                      As much of a boxing nerd as I am, I haven't even tried to come up with a top 100 list. Too much info and too hard to separate certain fighters. I'm often a bit indecisive about certain fighters and whom is greater. For instance, Michael Spinks and Marvin Hagler. Hagler had a lot more fights, and more quality wins. However, Spinks fought in one of the best LHW eras ever and never lost there, and moved up to win the legitimate HW title. Against a much naturally bigger fighter, who had made 20 straight title defenses of the HW crown. And despite the rematch, the first verdict was fair.

                      I wish the newbies/casual fans would understand what a great fighter Spinks was, rather than the guy whom Mike Tyson demolished. How many other natural light heavyweights would do well against a 21 year old Mike Tyson?

                      I would imagine though that I'd have Ezzard Charles pretty high. His resume is amazing. Perhaps the #1 LHW ever, and then he wins the HW title and makes like 8 defenses of that.

                      And keep in mind the guy basically lost three years of his career, in his early twenties, due to World War II.
                      agreed, michael spinks was great. spinks vs charles, who you got?

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