The Truth About Why So Many Americans Hate The Klitschko's...

[Frighteous]

He's dull and boring and looks like a big ****

He doesn't take risks anymore after Sanders

The boxing world is not a big appreciative mother who actually cares if you can speak 4 languages. They just want to see knockouts...

[RimmyDelicious]

americans just cant believe athletic white people like the klitshkos exist because most white yanks lack that natural athletisism easern europeans have.

Or they can make money without getting their heads busted playing football. Notice baseball is 60% white, 30 percent latino and 10% "other" aka black and asian, since it doesn't involve getting smashed by 300 pound men.

[TheGreatA]

why cause the klitschkos are dominating the division, that americans come off that it is weak...........

i bet when there is an american champ, the division will suddenly be good....

Weak compared to when? The early to mid 90's, the early to mid 70's...then when? Holmes' era in the late 70's early 80's? Tyson's era in the mid to late 80's? Liston's era in the 60's? Patterson/Johansen's in the late 50's Marciano's in the early 50's? Louis bum of the month club in the 30's? Dempsey didn't fight blacks for Christ sakes! Only twice in history has the heavyweight division had a true golden age.

Manny Steward shouldn't have any bias considering he's Wladimir's trainer. Here's what he had to say about the current division:

Q: On a somewhat related note Emanuel, a lot of fans claim that the heavyweight division is weak right now. Can you recall any time in history where the division had a similar state and what do you think needs to be done in order for this to recover in the eyes of the fans?

A: I think that the heavyweight division is the weakest that I ever saw it, that I can recall, I would put it this way, but if you look back at history it happens like this. I think it’s worse now because you don’t have anything coming from the amateurs. That’s what troubles me. It used to be weak, but you always had the George Foreman or even Klitschko. He is the last of the amateur program fighters from ’96. He’s the last product that came from the amateur system to the pros and that was what, about fourteen years ago now, and that’s what the problem is. There’s nothing coming from the amateur system, and I don’t see it worldwide, even these Cubans or whatever and the Russians. I don’t see much coming. I don’t see anything else coming up. It’s a weak heavyweight division and I don’t see anything too much coming up that’s going to make it any better in the future.

But if you look back through history, Joe Louis had that era when he went on the “Bum of the Month Club” as they called it and he was fighting with ‘Two Ton’ Tony Galento, the bar tenders, and this and that. Then I remember when Tyson was the same way. Nobody was up there for Mike. He was at the time considered fighting Pinklon Thomas and them, but I still thought those were better fighters but the public thought he was that dominating, but that was still a tough era. They said the same with Lennox. Lennox was having a weak division, but I thought that was better still. You still had guys such as Shannon Briggs and good competitive guys out there.

This is the weakest that I have ever seen it but it’s part of heavyweight history and that’s why we have these “Bum of the Month Clubs” and all that, and all of a sudden out of nowhere—somebody explodes on the scene. Right now, the biggest explosion has been David Haye and it’s nothing he did in the ring. Just verbally running his mouth he’s created a lot of excitement and a big buzz about himself. But it is weak, and I never saw it this weak and I hope that it will change but I just don’t even see it changing for maybe about another five years.

[RimmyDelicious]

GreatA, Manny said exactly what I've been saying, that terribly heavyweight division are the norm and not the exception. I respect Emmanuel's opinion, but I disagree that this division, while awful, is worse than Marciano's, or Louis's, or Liston's, or Lewis' and so forth. The top 7 at heavyweight today are Wlad, Vitali, Haye, Adamek, Povetkin, Chambers and arguably Arreola. Of those, Wlad and Vitali are ATG heavyweights who could beat some of the other great heavyweight champions in history, and could lose to other. Haye is an unknown with great talent, who knows what will happen with him. Adamek is another in the long line of former lightheavyweight champions making his run at heavyweight glory. Povetkin is a gold medalist with great hand speed and skills and Chambers is a slick, fast boxers with excellent skill. Either of those two would have been solid top 10 contenders in any era.

[boxingking500]

Manny Steward shouldn't have any bias considering he's Wladimir's trainer. Here's what he had to say about the current division:

Q: On a somewhat related note Emanuel, a lot of fans claim that the heavyweight division is weak right now. Can you recall any time in history where the division had a similar state and what do you think needs to be done in order for this to recover in the eyes of the fans?

A: I think that the heavyweight division is the weakest that I ever saw it, that I can recall, I would put it this way, but if you look back at history it happens like this. I think it’s worse now because you don’t have anything coming from the amateurs. That’s what troubles me. It used to be weak, but you always had the George Foreman or even Klitschko. He is the last of the amateur program fighters from ’96. He’s the last product that came from the amateur system to the pros and that was what, about fourteen years ago now, and that’s what the problem is. There’s nothing coming from the amateur system, and I don’t see it worldwide, even these Cubans or whatever and the Russians. I don’t see much coming. I don’t see anything else coming up. It’s a weak heavyweight division and I don’t see anything too much coming up that’s going to make it any better in the future.

But if you look back through history, Joe Louis had that era when he went on the “Bum of the Month Club” as they called it and he was fighting with ‘Two Ton’ Tony Galento, the bar tenders, and this and that. Then I remember when Tyson was the same way. Nobody was up there for Mike. He was at the time considered fighting Pinklon Thomas and them, but I still thought those were better fighters but the public thought he was that dominating, but that was still a tough era. They said the same with Lennox. Lennox was having a weak division, but I thought that was better still. You still had guys such as Shannon Briggs and good competitive guys out there.

This is the weakest that I have ever seen it but it’s part of heavyweight history and that’s why we have these “Bum of the Month Clubs” and all that, and all of a sudden out of nowhere—somebody explodes on the scene. Right now, the biggest explosion has been David Haye and it’s nothing he did in the ring. Just verbally running his mouth he’s created a lot of excitement and a big buzz about himself. But it is weak, and I never saw it this weak and I hope that it will change but I just don’t even see it changing for maybe about another five years.

i disagree... i can disagree with his opinion...

the heavyweight division is fine

and americans are making excuses, cause there mad that the klits are dominating

[WladIsTheChamp]

lol, he KO'd kenny norton. You've just been exposed, for a lack of knowledge.

Anyway I think you completely missed the point of my question.

"easy to dominate against mandatory bums.

Let's see him go up against 7 HOF's."

Who did ALi beat? Muhammad ALi beat the seven. So there I've already made the list for you.

If I were you I would not talk about being exposed about anything. You are the guy who did not know that back in Ali's day a 200+ lbs HW could fight someone who was 177lbs for the HW championship, as Ali has done many times. Ali fought dozens of guys who were 177-185lbs when he was a full-blown HW at 200+, go look it up on box rec, because that was news to you in a previous thread. You also said that Ali had the "protection of god" with his win over Cleveland Williams...LOL That Cleveland Williams was shot in the stomach with a .375 the year before, had nerve damage that caused his leg to atrophy, had 10 feet of his intestine taken out, a had a failed kidney, and he had not fought as a result for that entire year. He fought Ali in that condition.

Don't forget that 60% of Ali's wins came against smaller men than himself and that he managed only a 60% KO ratio. His jaw was broken by a 210lbs Ken Norton and one of the "many" HOFs fighters that US historians are so proud of on his record was a light HW Bob Foster, who weighed in at a whopping 180lbs against Ali's 220lbs. I mean if that does not speak GOAT, I don't know what else will.

Don't forget, that Ali was also such a big defensive genius that his favortie tactic was to lay against the ropes and let his opponents wear themselves out by punching him in the face repeatedly. As a result, today Ali is in diapers and a wheel-chair, not even able to speak without drooling all over himself. I feel sorry for the man and I am not laughing at anyone with Parkinsons but most attribute it to him taking so much punishment in his career. If he was such a defensive genius he wouldn't had to rely on that to win fights, that's all I am saying.

Let's give Ali his due - great entertainer, based on the fighters he fought at that time, he is definately an ATG. But H2H, Lewis, both Klitschkos and a host of other modern HWs would have destroyed Ali in a fantasy time-machine battle.

[TheGreatA]

GreatA, Manny said exactly what I've been saying, that terribly heavyweight division are the norm and not the exception. I respect Emmanuel's opinion, but I disagree that this division, while awful, is worse than Marciano's, or Louis's, or Liston's, or Lewis' and so forth. The top 7 at heavyweight today are Wlad, Vitali, Haye, Adamek, Povetkin, Chambers and arguably Arreola. Of those, Wlad and Vitali are ATG heavyweights who could beat some of the other great heavyweight champions in history, and could lose to other. Haye is an unknown with great talent, who knows what will happen with him. Adamek is another in the long line of former lightheavyweight champions making his run at heavyweight glory. Povetkin is a gold medalist with great hand speed and skills and Chambers is a slick, fast boxers with excellent skill. Either of those two would have been solid top 10 contenders in any era.

The heavyweight division has traditionally lacked depth, but I believe the division is quite bad even compared to other bad eras. It's getting better now with talent coming up but the mid 2000's were simply horrible with fighters like Ruiz, Rahman, Briggs, and those were American. No one thought they were any good still.

It's untrue in my opinion that the division is criticized because it's dominated by Eastern Europeans, because without those Eastern Europeans the division would be horrible to watch. We would have Haye, Arreola, Chambers and second raters like Audley Harrison contesting for the belt. The Klitschko brothers and the rising Eastern European prospects are the only bright spots currently.

[RimmyDelicious]

The heavyweight division has traditionally lacked depth, but I believe the division is quite bad even compared to other bad eras. It's getting better now with talent coming up but the mid 2000's were simply horrible with fighters like Ruiz, Rahman, Briggs, and those were American. No one thought they were any good still.

It's untrue in my opinion that the division is criticized because it's dominated by Eastern Europeans, because without those Eastern Europeans the division would be horrible to watch. We would have Haye, Arreola, Chambers and second raters like Audley Harrison contesting for the belt. The Klitschko brothers and the rising Eastern European prospects are the only bright spots currently.

My thinking is, that is, say Mike Tyson were young and running this division, we would not be hearing the same criticism from American fight fans. Just a guess.

[TheGreatA]

My thinking is, that is, say Mike Tyson were young and running this division, we would not be hearing the same criticism from American fight fans. Just a guess.

They said the division was weak even then, even though there were some decent boxers around. It's just that Tyson ran through most of them in a couple of rounds. Had he systematically broken them down in the late rounds without taking any chances, he would've gotten more criticism.

[TheGreatA]

They said the division was weak even then, even though there were some decent boxers around. It's just that Tyson ran through most of them in a couple of rounds. Had he systematically broken them down in the late rounds without taking any chances, he would've gotten more criticism.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=heavyweight+division+weak+tyson&scoring=a&hl=en&ned=us&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1985&as_hdate=1989&lnav=hist1