Last night proved making weight hurt Cotto against Pacman

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    #51
    Absolutely not. You think that slight weight loss made that big of a difference huh. LOL.

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      #52
      Originally posted by Jack Burton
      He was letting him set up for the first 4 rounds. Pac was definitely hittable before Cotto got nailed.

      I know you think I'm nuts, but I think the rematch will be much more competitive, especially since it looks like Cotto's got his power back. His punches at that catchweight looked like they had nothing on them.

      But I agree with Jro he should go nowhere near Martinez... thats murkage waiting to happen.
      Cotto'd downfall was losing his composure. Pac was well on his way to winning via comfortable UD based on activity though. But, a neutral assessment of that fight shows you two things:

      Cotto's jab was causing damage. (Pac won that mind game, kudos to him)

      Cotto must not lose his composure and remain calm at all times, exchanging with Pac is asking to be murked.

      Cotto had no power in that fight, when Pac tangled him up you could see his strength was not there, this same guy who powerbombed Clottey.. I dunno, no one can tell me he was not weak.

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        #53
        did last night prove that margs had plaster in his gloves against miguel also?

        why stop with the making weight issue against pac?

        let's open everything up for debate.

        because to me that's how silly the ts's conclusion is.

        hell, last night proved that yuri was just pretending to be ***ish.

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          #54
          Originally posted by Hallaqsillaq
          Cotto'd downfall was losing his composure. Pac was well on his way to winning via comfortable UD based on activity though. But, a neutral assessment of that fight shows you two things:

          Cotto's jab was causing damage. (Pac won that mind game, kudos to him)

          Cotto must not lose his composure and remain calm at all times, exchanging with Pac is asking to be murked.

          Cotto had no power in that fight, when Pac tangled him up you could see his strength was not there, this same guy who powerbombed Clottey.. I dunno, no one can tell me he was not weak.
          I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw this. He looked much weaker than usual. That wasn't the same Cotto that dropped Clottey with a jab or that doubled Quintana over w/ a left to the body.

          That catchweight definitely took some strength from him. Roach ain't ******, he knows a pound or 2 can shift the dynamic of the fight, otherwise, why even insist on a catchweight if a pound or 2 makes no difference?

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            #55
            Jack I would agree with you, however Cotto had a great 1st quarter of the fight until he started ****ing with Pac, and that my friend is just a mistake. If you stand and goe toe to toe with Pac you're getting busted up and knocked out, bottom line. I think it had absolutely nothing to do with a couple of pounds.

            The Boxer Cotto was winning that fight, the brawler lost the fight.

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              #56
              Originally posted by jrosales13
              Not mad he demanded a catchweight at all. Catchweights has happen before. What do I have to be mad about?

              What I find funny is that cuz he fought one catchweight fight, then I guess every fight should be a catchweight fight.

              And, then when the rematch happens, and the fight is over, you will disappear again for a few weeks just like in November.
              Ha, I wasn't even on boixng scene during Nov 2009. Joined Jan 2010 dweeb. And catchweights have happened b4 but he made it seem like had an issue making that weight so for him 2 then fight Clottey at 147 was ***** on his part.

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                #57
                Originally posted by BoxeoBoriqua
                Ha, I wasn't even on boixng scene during Nov 2009. Joined Jan 2010 dweeb. And catchweights have happened b4 but he made it seem like had an issue making that weight so for him 2 then fight Clottey at 147 was ***** on his part.
                If Roach required it, it was for a reason, and it definitely wasn't to make a fair fight.

                People are foolish to think otherwise, if it wasn't a factor Roach wouldn't have been so exigent about it.

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                • KRITKL
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                  #58
                  How he looked against Pac ain't got nothing to do with that 1 lb extra he had to lose. It was about him having a **** trainer, and he was in with the best fighter in boxing.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Hallaqsillaq
                    If Roach required it, it was for a reason, and it definitely wasn't to make a fair fight.

                    People are foolish to think otherwise, if it wasn't a factor Roach wouldn't have been so exigent about it.
                    145 was cotto's idea not pac's

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by SugarRoyJones
                      I'm not saying Pacquiao wouldn't have beat him anyway because styles make the fights. I'm just saying that he looked pretty damn fit last night.

                      He needs to take more easy fights to boost his confidence further and then step it up in the middle of next year. maybe get him a fight every 2 months against a bum or prospect to get him back in the hunt. Definitely put him in with Bruce Banner aka Margarito without his cinderblock wraps. I think thats an easy fight and a great confidince booster.

                      Maybe later he can step up and fight guys like Alfredo Angulo or James Kirkland when he's free. Cotto should tell that lanky bastard P.Will to **** off and fight Chad Dawson at a 168lbs catch weight, and tell Kermit to jump back in his pond because they're both all wrong for him. I think Cottos' gonna be fine at this weight though and finish out the rest of his career in a respectable way.

                      The way I saw it, a Foreman type fighter would have lost to Cotto at 145, 147 and 154.

                      The only question to me last night was, can Cotto catch Foreman which he did. If Foreman had better in and out movement then Cotto could have had big problems. Actually, there was a round or two in which Foreman did that adequately enough to give Cotto problems. Another big issue was that Foreman got no punch therefore no respect from Cotto.

                      As for those who want to see a Cotto vs Pac fight, you can't base that rematch on this fight. Also, if Pac beats Cotto again, the other Pac haters will say all that this proves is that Pac beat up a shot Cotto again.

                      You know that there may be a good chance it can happen since Pac may want to go for another title in another weight class. Cotto would have to fight a few more fights to make it more legit.

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